Question about pickup splitting (Split P + Single jazz + standard Humbucker in one!)

edit: see later posts. type of humbucker has been found, now what remains is the which and how, as well as additional questions

tldnr: (need a humbucker that can be split to a p-shaped humbucking single, a jazz shaped single and a full double row buck. what is it, where can i get it, how do i wire it? do i need a unit to make a mishmash of pickups and preamp work together? if so what is it and where can i get it?)

K, so i want to create a WORKHORSE bass guitar. It has to cover the tones I need all in one (by using push pull or mini toggles to swap pickup config selection.). I'm having trouble finding a certain pickup, was wondering if you guys knew which fits the bill or how to turn one that i can get into the one that i need.

the required tones are:

(if looking at it straight on to see the exposed polepieces, with possible dummy coils farthest away from you, aka underneath the unit)

-the top left and bottom right area of the bucker for a p-bass sound as, say, setting #1 (preferably also top right and bottom left for the other split-p pickup sound as setting #1.5. I refuse to use a straight line pbass pickup for the p-sound, the split P is what i'm looking for)

-then also the top left and bottom left for a single jazz sound as setting #2 (preferably also both rights for a slightly different single jazz sound as setting #2.5)

-all 4 coils for a sounds like the neck-side pickup on a 2H stingray as setting #3 (for example, i know about the way rays only sound like rays with MM preamp or comparable unit)

is this possible? am i thinking of a pipe dream?

what does a humbucker need to be to be switchable in this way? (how many coil, how many wire, etc)

any ideas on an exact humbucker that can do both the "split-p" sound when split diagonally and the "jazz pickup" sound when split into single coil? this to me is the most important. it's ok if it can't do both sides interchangeably, what's important is that it gets both major sounds in at least one way.

The brand doesn't matter as long as it can feasibly work alongside a delano "the hybrid 5" in the bridge zone, as that's what's going in the bass no matter what. i heard something about a bartolini unit that allows adjustment of resistance to help match pickups to preamps or pickups to each other, or something like that. is this what i need to make two vastly different pickups work well in an active setting with each other?

thanks for you help, and sorry about the length. I can create some rough pictures to demo what i mean by which pickups are selected if anyone needs clarification.

 

that's a pic of the same hybrid pickup i already plan to use in the bridge position. the problem is it goes MM to Jazz. i'm looking for Split-P to jazz, preferably with MM as well, but not required

 

in theory, wouldn't you only need something with 4 coils (basically 2 sets of split p coils all side by side), one for each set of 2 polepieces (in terms of a four string bucker with 8 total polepieces) grouped together, with a wire out from each coil? i could have sworn i saw this type before somewhere but i can't remember who makes it.

 

ah, in that case you might be right in that you could use a double split coil J set and then just run the leads to a switcher to make the specific combos you want. i don't really need it to be in one casing. although...

if this is the case, when a pickup is labelled as a quad coil ( like the Delano MC 5 HE , for example) it is indeed that each pickup has 4 of those mini coils in it, isn't it? since a 2 coil would be 2 that run the entire length of the strings side by side, 4 would be each of those cut in half, likely for self-humcancelling J style settings. if this is the case (i have no idea what the inside of a pickup looks like, i always thought quads just ran 2 dummy coils for cancelling underneath the regular ones) then the trick would be simply to run the necessary amount of wire out from each mini coil, wouldn't it? Either that or get a pickup that already includes the wires.

at least i think so, i'm a complete noob at understanding the way pickup switching works.

 

"To give a visual example:



Suppose the coils are named N(ea), N(dg), B(ea) and B(dg) (I think tubby.twins named them as such on the PDF above, too). Suppose the coils are wound and magnetically polarized like this:

N(ea), B(ea): clockwise, N-up
N(dg), B(dg): counter-clockwise, S-up.

Thus the combinations are as follows:

N-jazz: N(ea)+N(dg)
prec: N(ea)+B(dg)
MM: N(ea)N(dg) + B(ea)B(dg)
R-prec: B(ea)+N(dg)
B-jazz: B(ea)+B(dg)

So if you look at the upper table, all combinations are RW-RP. No phase issues, as far as I can tell." posted by Stealth,Oct 22, 2010

This is EXACTLY what I'm looking for. So it is possible. Now the updated question is which pickups exist that come made like this already/how hard is it to do to a quad coil pickup? And out of the ones that do exist which ones actually sound like an actual P and J bass in passive mode?

Can you set up the pickup to use a functional series+parallel+out of phase 3 way selector toggle/switch/knob in addition to this wiring scheme outlined above? That is part of a future plan.

 

i'm using at least 2 pickups and an MM/ jazz is going in the bridge. As for the p sweet spot i'm probably going to put it so in the traditional P config it's in the same spot. that's the same spot for a jazz, leaving two "tighter" versions of the pickups selectable, which is fine by me, especially since the bass already has a mudbucker going up at the fretboard

 

if you look closely at the pickup from underneath, the coils do not seem to extend into the area covered by each other, only the plastic and magnet does. I'm sure it will sound very close.