questions about "High End" basses

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by DEFELDUS, Jul 3, 2003.

  1. okay hello again guys, ive been reading a lot here about these high end basses but i still have some questions about the high end basses (warwick fodera sadowsky modulus mtd etc etc etc)

    im in the process of looking for my next bass and i think i have decided i want a high end bass that will last me (at least a good ways) through college (i am currently a rising senior in hs). I believe i am going to get a six string but i have been back and forth as far as five or six (i currently own two fender jazz 4's) but i have ?s regarding these high end basses (as info is hard to find on em and they are no where to be found around here for me to test)

    1) which brands do you think i could find used around 1300?

    2) which brands offer (or have) non radiused (flat) necks? this is a big factor for me...

    3) any type/brand of pickups and preamps i should look into?

    4) if you have experience with any of the higher end basses could you give me any other info i should know about them (such as the good and the bad of any certain brand)?

    5) do you know of any good websites that sell used basses?

    6) are there any suggestions on a new bass (thats high a high quality, "pro" level instrument) under 1300 dollars (im open to anything, though ive looked everywhere and cant find anything that matches what i want for under 1300, except the conklin gt series, but of course they only make 4 5 and 7 strings, go figure)?

    any and all help is greatly appreciated guys!
  2. emjazz

    emjazz Supporting Member

    Feb 23, 2003
    Boston, MA
    Why a flat fingerboard? Your Fenders have fingerboards that have a pretty steep radius.

    The John Myung signature bass is very affordable and I see you like Dream Theater. The only problem I have with these is the spacing of the strings though.

    The Peavey Cirrus six is something you may want to look into as well.
  3. Schwinn


    Dec 4, 2002
    Sarasota, FL
    I second this. You can find Cirrus 6's for under a grand used. I also saw a new Cirrus 5 for 1300 recently. I like the Cirrus alot and it will probably be my next bass purchase. I've seen a couple of local progressive metal bands recently with the bass player using a Peavey Cirrus. So I know they fit that style of music well.
  4. Frank Martin

    Frank Martin Bitten by the luthiery bug...

    Oct 8, 2001
    Budapest, Hungary, EU
    1.)almost any brands "cheaper" basses, but they are rare...

    2.) I dont know

    3.) some basses come with their own p/us and electronics. if you want to know some good brands, there are: Bartolini, EMG, Seymour Duncan, etc

    4.) that depends on the model. i have a Warwick Corvette 6, and it has a nice growl and good midrange, but it can be nice warm and even dark, too. But then there is the Warwick Streamer, quite a different animal, you know. quite a different kind of growl, nice midrange and clarity, and velvety soft highs... so you see, it waries

    er.. er.. i forgot, sorry
  5. malthumb


    Mar 25, 2001
    The Motor City
    1) You could get a Lakland Skyline 55-01 or 55-02 for a lot less than $1,300. Both are 5 strings (no 6's), but they have a fairly chunky neck. You say you're looking for flat. Their necks are not much different from your Fenders. I can also add my name to the list of Peavey Cirrus 6 supporters.

    2)The best "flat" neck I have ever played is on my Hanewinckel 6 string. I got it for only a pinch more than your budget. You will have a hard time finding a used one at any price, let alone what I paid for mine. If you are committed and have to have a flat neck, you may want to save up a few more nickels and order one of Pete Hanewinckels lower cost models.

    Hanewinckel Site

    3) Sorry, can't help ya here.

    4) I have experience with Smith, Lakland, and Hanewinckel basses. All good basses. With the Smiths, you need to study up on their models to better understand what you're getting and what to pay for it. You may be able to get a BSR6P in your price range. Maybe a couple other models. Warwick Thumbs and Corvettes can fall in that price range, but now you're talking serious chunkitude in the neck.

    5) all the ones mentioned plus

    Lowdown Sound in Detroit
    Bass Gear This is individual owners selling gear, but you can probably ask TBers about many of the regulars at Bass Gear wrt confidence in dealing with them.

    6) If you are ordering and if you can be disciplined in saving towards a custom order, I'd strongly suggest Hanewinckel. It will likely take 3 - 4 months from order date to received date. If you are starting at $1,300 and can save a couple hundred per month, you can start living the dream.


  6. wow thanks a lot guys, im definately checking out those sites, and thanks for the info too. i have yet to play a peavey bass (except a starter model, which wasnt bad for the price).and to the comment about "why flat? your fenders are rounded" thats one of the reasons im saying good bye to fender (they make great basses no doubt, just not for me) to the guy recommending the yamaha, i just visited my local music store and had my first experience with a yamaha (it was a 5 string bb model ~300 dollars, but very nice) and i must say i am quite impressed with it. as of right now, i am looking into maybe the Trb 6 or the Trb6 II p or whatever. anyone know prices on these? i cant find them at the yamaha site. anyways, thanks again for the info, keep it coming! =]

    EDIT: does anyone know if the trb's have a flat neck like the BB's? also, note on string spacing: i have no preference as to tight or wide, i like both and see both as having advantages and disadvantages, so i really dont mind if they are tight or wide or anywhere in between
  7. Taylor Livingston

    Taylor Livingston Supporting Member Commercial User

    Dec 25, 2002
    Louisiana, US
    Owner, Iron Ether Electronics
    Unradiused neck - no such thing. That would be a rectangular slab.

    Unradiused fingerboard - rare, liked by very few.

    Flat neck - back contour is closer to parallel to the fingerboard.

    Using the right terms will help people understand and help you more. :)
  8. mikezimmerman

    mikezimmerman Supporting Member

    Apr 29, 2001
    Omaha, Nebraska
    cj is being fairly precise there--there are very, very few necks with totally flat fretboards, but most modern basses (especially those with wider string spacing) have boards that are flatter than Fenders--basically, anything over a 10"-12" radius feels fairly flat, though it's not really flat. Pretty much all the basses I've seen mentioned so far, including the Lakland 55-01/55-02 fall in that category. I'm pretty sure the TRBs do, too.

    Heck, if you can be little flexible on what you can spend, there are lots of good choices in the <$1500 prices range, especially if you're willing to look at used basses. Almost all but the most expensive stuff can often be found used in that price range if you're willing to take your time looking.

    "If you have experience with any of the higher end basses could you give me any other info i should know about them" -- you could be opening a big can of worms there, since a look at many of our profiles would show dozens of different high-end makes! :D Seriously, what kinds of looks and sounds do you like? Do you have any experience with graphite or composite necks, to know whether you like them or not? You say you don't care about string spacing, but most people find after they've spent a little time with 5+ strings that they find either wider or narrower more comfortable, and that would be a good thing to try and figure out, too.

  9. Bassmanbob

    Bassmanbob Supporting Member

    Where are you going to be living in college? If you're going to be in a dorm room, you may not want to purchase a high end bass yet. You'll be awefully sad if it gets stolen. My $0.02
  10. thanks again guys

    conical thankss for clearing that up, when i said flat/unradiused i meant as in ibanez, round as in fender

    about living in a dorm: everyone has that risk with everything (i.e. laptops...)

    well after all this i have narrowed my choices down (err... at least i have an idea now) as of right now these are my choices:

    yamaha trb six string (either version, preferably the "better" one, though i need to find a price on both of them)

    peavy cirrus six string (looks like a great bass, would love to try one out)

    any good (as in still in excellent condition) quality *boutique* 6 string bass that i could find under 1500 (do you think i could find a good used ken smith or fodera at this price?)

    again thanks for the help, please keep it coming
  11. mikezimmerman

    mikezimmerman Supporting Member

    Apr 29, 2001
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Good if you like wider spacing. There are actually 3 versions: the original TRB-P neck-throughs which haven't been made in a few years ($1000 or so used), the TRBII bolt-ons ($700 or so used), and the new TRBIIP neckthoughs (lists for $4k new, maybe $1800 used?). [all prices just ballpark guess!]

    Good if you like narow spacing. I'm not sure what the new prices are, but they're usually under $1000 used.

    A Fodera would fall into the "most expensive" category--you're looking at about twice that for a 5 or 6. You might get one of the Smith bolt-on models used for something in the $1500-1600 range if you're lucky, unless you get one of the "Burners" or "BSRB" import models, which are rather cheaper.

  12. awwwww so your tellin me i cant get a fodera or a good smith! :meh: *sigh* oh well. ive really been looking into the trb's, look like great basses, as of right now i think the trbII is the one im looking at, seeing as how i found an old link from when musicians friend still sold them and it was 1300 or so new, i think thats about just right =]
  13. I bet you can make a pretty nice Custom Conklin for $1300 (Im not sure on this, JT can back me up on this). It can have the flat neck you desire, whatever electronics, and however many strings ya need. Custom Conklin is the way to go.
  14. umm as far as the last two posts i dont know what to say but here goes

    custom conklin 6 strings START at 4000 (just a tad more than 1500)

    @ cassanova: umm reread the thread and you'll see im not interested in a 4 string, though maybe you should make a thread for that, im sure someone would be interested in it

  15. i also said im back and forth on 5 or 6, but thats only because im have a hard time trying to find 6s in my price range with the features i want. i dont think i said i am a jazz man, yes i have two fender j's but i am definately ready to move on to something else (different). music wise i play everything (school jazz band, prog stuff with friends, church band, etc etc etc) so versatility is a must. tone wise im a huge fan of john patitucci, i love his tone (yet more reason for the trb huh?) but my tastes in tone change frequently.

    *sigh* i feel the gas building up for a trb...