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Rack effect Boss SE70 vs VF-1

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by Bergerdude, Nov 10, 2005.

  1. Nov 10, 2005 #1
    Bergerdude

    Bergerdude Guest

    Jun 7, 2005
    Hi,
    I have seen a few of each on Ebay recently....it looks like the older SE70 has a headphone jack which may be pretty cool.....otherwise they both seem similar....so is the SE70 actually better than the VF-1?

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Nov 10, 2005 #2
    Jazz Ad

    Jazz Ad Mi la ré sol

    Mar 16, 2002
    Langueux, Brittany, France
    No. It's a far older model with less functions.
    Still really nice. I prefer distortions on the SE-70.
     
  3. Nov 10, 2005 #3
    Bergerdude

    Bergerdude Guest

    Jun 7, 2005
    So...the distortions are better, and it has a headphone jack....what does the VF-1 do better?

    How do you connect it to a computer and change parameters?

    Also, does the VF-1 have any headphone jack out (maybe the mono out?)

    Thanks again.
     
  4. Nov 10, 2005 #4
    Tritone

    Tritone Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 24, 2002
    Santee, America
    Can't speak for the SE-70 (or 50), but the VF-1 was supposed to be the next generation. I've heard that the VF-1 is quieter, and has a smoother transition between patches. I love my VF-1, so much so that I have an extra one for a spare. Plus, the thing has 200 user patches, several being bass specific, although I use several guitar, vocal, and keyboard patches as well.
     
  5. Nov 10, 2005 #5
    napski

    napski Great. Where the heck am I now?

    Oct 27, 2005
    I've been trying to find that VF-1 myself, but its nowhere to be found...I found one on ebay, but the seller's feedback doesn't look too good, so I'll skip that one.

    Does anyone know where else to get a VF-1?
     
  6. Nov 10, 2005 #6
    Tritone

    Tritone Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 24, 2002
    Santee, America
  7. Nov 10, 2005 #7
    Bergerdude

    Bergerdude Guest

    Jun 7, 2005
    Are there any user patch librarys online?

    The VF-1 has the hi-Z input, and the manual shows guitar(bass) going into the VF-1 then the amp.....wouldn't the effects loop be better? There is nothing in the manual I have seen to show the effects loop hookup (without physically having the unit yet).

    Is there any way to use the outputs to use with headphones?
    It seems like a headphone jack would really be necessary so your rig wouldn't have to be by your computer, i.e. just the VF-1, headphones, bass and editing it on the computer.

    How do you edit stuff and hook it to the computer anyways??

    Thanks again...I have gone over many posting so I apologize if some questions I have (or will...there will be plenty more!) are redundant.

    Dan
     
  8. Nov 10, 2005 #8
    Tritone

    Tritone Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 24, 2002
    Santee, America
    Not that I know of

    Actually, there is a section in the manual that explicitly goes over various hookups. Do you have the full manual, or just the "Quick Start" sheet? The unit is extremely flexible.There are several different options available. I use mine in the 1st loop of my TF-420. You can download the VF-1 manual from Roland here:

    http://www.rolandus.com/support/product_manual.asp?Letter=V

    And if you're still curious about the SE-50 and SE-70:

    http://www.rolandus.com/support/product_manual.asp?Letter=S

    There is a dedicated digital output in the rear of the unit just for that purpose.
     
  9. Nov 11, 2005 #9
    GSPLBASSDC

    GSPLBASSDC

    Jan 25, 2005
    Gilbert, AZ
    I'm contemplating selling my VF-1. Great unit...all original packing and manuals and NO RACK RASH!

    To me, it's more of a rock, metal type of unit...and I'm a gospel, jazz, funk player, so I'm leaning toward something else.
     
  10. Nov 11, 2005 #10
    Bergerdude

    Bergerdude Guest

    Jun 7, 2005
    Ok, I appreciate all the answers, obvioulsy I have some reading to do.
    I recently got a VF-1 off of Ebay, bu there was a SE70 on there as well....I pretty much bid prematurely not knowing precisely which unit would be best for me! :-(

    Is there a way to hook headphones up to the VF-1?
    And in the manual, I don't see any reference to using the dedictated digital out to a computer....is there an adapter to get it to USB or something?

    Sorry for all the questions....I know this will take some work to get the unit up and running.

    DO you have a favorite factory patch?

    Thanks,
    Dan
     
  11. Nov 16, 2005 #11
    Bergerdude

    Bergerdude Guest

    Jun 7, 2005
    The SE70 looks like it has a metronome too!?

    Anyone wanna trade an SE70 for a mint VF-1?

    Argh I think I read the wrong posts when I bought the VF-1 :-(
     
  12. Nov 26, 2005 #12
    LoGruvz

    LoGruvz

    Apr 11, 2003
    Atlanta, GA
    I have had both. Personally I think the VF-1 is much better. As far as other than rock stuff with it Michael Manring uses the VF-1 as his exclusive effects unit. Do a Google on him and the VF-1 and you will see that the people who have seen him have incredible things to say about the sounds he gets out of it. As with all effects and especially for bass you have to spend a lot of time and tweak your settings to get it to sound right. It really isn't and out of the box plug and play unit. It really is amazing what it can do when you dig in to it. I think you can use the output in the back for headphones. If you need it for something else put a Y-adapter on it. I sometines plug it into a little Mackie 1202 and use the headphones from that.

    The SE-70 was endorsed strongly by Michael Anthony of VH he said he used it for distorted flange which I think you can hear on "Running with the Devil".

    I am on my fifth unit. I keep selling it and going to another rack system then back to a pedal rack. I have finally made up my mind that this is it. The only external pedal I am usung is an EBS Octabas cause I just went back to a 4 string from a 5 string and I play in a cover band so I need that low b and c once in a while.
     
  13. Dec 2, 2005 #13
    Bergerdude

    Bergerdude Guest

    Jun 7, 2005
    Thanks for the reply, you have given me hope. The unit is pretty much over my head, and I grimace everytime I think I paid $200 for the thing (they have been going from $140-205 on ebay recently). I did get a mint unit at least for the price, but wonder if a couple of scratches would have been acceptable for saving $60!?

    Anyway...I need to figure out what to use to go thru the patches. I imagine only using about 4-6 patches...so this thing is overkill.....but if it better and quieter than the se70 maybe I am ok.

    Dan
     
  14. Dec 2, 2005 #14
    LoGruvz

    LoGruvz

    Apr 11, 2003
    Atlanta, GA
    It is definately much quieter than the SE-70. Your price was ok so don't worry about it. I have have paid over 250 for them. $200 is still the range. Switch it over to the bass settings group then pick a preset and start going thru it one by one and tweaking each setting until it sounds good then save it. I think there is a users group on Yahoo so check that out too.