Rackmount fx. I got 'em, but....

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by shababy32, Jan 26, 2017.

  1. shababy32


    May 2, 2015
    Well they say the son shines on a dog's butt every now and then, and a blind squirrel will eventually find a nut, so yesterday I might have found a pecan and my butt is burning!
    I just bought a Ampeg SVT 3PRO and it's in mint condition and is also a 2004 or 05. One of the last made in the U.S. So I wanted to get a rack to mount it in. Well a friend sold me a Gator 8u hard plastic or whatever the hell that stuff is made of, for 125 dollars.
    The problem is I had to take what was inside the rack too. It includes this.
    1. 1 Fuhrman power conditioner (definitely gonna keep it)
    2. 1 bbe 882i sonic maximizer
    3. 1 dbx 266xs compressor
    4. 1 Alesis midiverb 2
    5. 1 Behringer 4 channel noise gate
    6. 1 behringer 31 band equalizer
    7. 1 dbx driverack (the little one that u can't mount. It's little and has a built in eq, feedback suppressor, sub synth, and a compressor. (It sounds killer running my mp3 player through it with studio monitors!).
    Anyway, I'm curious mainly about the compressor and maximizer. Also, how do i run this? Preamp in or out? FX loop?
    Or should I use any of the other effects?
  2. shababy32


    May 2, 2015
    I misspelled sun! S.O.B.!
  3. First off, an 8 space rack is a bit overkill for that amp.

    Secondly - if you don't want the rack gear, sell it all separately and get triple your money back, at least. Then sell the rack and get a 4 space. ;)

    Thirdly - I agree the Furman is a nice piece of gear for a rack system (only one power switch and one plug) - but a good power strip works just the same.

    Fourthly - The only other 'worthy' piece of gear might be the DBX compressor.

    Fifthly - if you were to use everything (why?) - toss it all in the effects loop and turn the Behringer stuff off. You don't need a 4 channel noise gate with a single-channel system. The Midiverb 2 is OLD tech, and unless you're really into midi-controlled reverb and modulation effects, you won't use it. The 31 band EQ isn't really necessary if you like the onboard EQ of the Ampeg. The BBE Sonic Max is really just a mid-cutting deception. I don't know what the Drive Rack is, but sounds like it drives your rack...which the equipment in the rack doesn't need.

    Sixthly - I was serious about selling all of that stuff. $50 for each piece of gear, and you'd get $400 (including the furman and rack), then get a suitable, smaller rack for just the head. And thank your buddy for handing you $275. (but be smart and research the going rates for each piece and sell accordingly)
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  4. DDXdesign

    DDXdesign formerly 'jammadave' Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 15, 2003
    while it might be snake oil, I used a sonic maximizer in my guitar rack back in the day and I thought it was great, but then again I was 90% of the time trying to get a crispy metal tone. On bass, I wouldn't assume it'd do much, might add some sansamp type bite.

    Generally, though, I agree with @Mo'Phat above. Deal of the day for you, brother.
  5. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    I'd sell most of that stuff too, and turn the money around into one or two better units. Particularly the dbx 266, if you just upgrade to the next level up from that model (166) you'd be happier.

    Most rack processors are meant to go in the fx loop. That includes the little Driverack unit; in a PA setting, it would be placed between the mixer and the power amp, which is basically the same thing as using the fx loop on a head. The BBE is meant to go in the very last position in the loop, so that any phase alterations it does are not "undone" by other processors after it.
  6. If you got all that for $125 that is a pretty good deal. I agree with the concensus to spin off the Behringer and the 266.
    OTOH the MidiVerb II while a bit long in the tooth is still a good sounding processor with some nice chorus and flanger sounds available, the only downside is that they are all 16 bit and preset, but the presets are well done.
    The dbx Go Rack is a decent little processor handy for all sorts of things and might just do the trick for compression with your Ampeg. I have mine mounted to a rack tray with velcro to use with my small PA.
  7. shababy32


    May 2, 2015
    Correction. It's a 6u rackmount. I do believe I'm gonna selling all except for the drive rack. I think I just want a rack to mount the head. Or I might try to find a svt 410HE cab to go with my bottom cab which is an Acoustic 115 but I put an Eminence Legend speaker in it. Which I guess that'll lead to my next post!
  8. Korladis

    Korladis Inactive

    1. Adds convenience, but that's about it. Keep it just for the sake of having a rackmount powerstrip.
    2. Sell this junk. It's just a mid scoop. The knobs are just bass and treble boost. There's also no true bypass with it, so if it's in your chain and off, it's cutting out a lot of low end.
    3. If you like compression, keep it. Myself, I like a dirty tone, so I'd just use the dirt from high gain settings of the 3Pro for all the compression I need. Like most rackmount effects, it's meant to go in the effects loop of your amp.
    4. Do you really see yourself using this? How do you trigger a rackmount reverb off and on?
    5. Unnecessary, especially considering your setup is single channel. Use a tuner pedal to mute.
    6. Unless you find yourself really needing more EQ than the Ampeg offers, I don't see much use for this either.
    7. If you find yourself using it, keep it. Otherwise, sell it.
  9. Korladis

    Korladis Inactive

    Why not get another 115 if you like the one you have?
  10. shababy32


    May 2, 2015
    Good question. It's something about those SVT 410HE's that I like. Although I do agree with alot of people who say it pairs well and sounds even better with the 15HE. I'm just trying to make the best out of what I already have. Is there a big difference with a closed 15 cab than a ported 15 cab? Will it make a huge difference when paired with a SVT410HE?
  11. Korladis

    Korladis Inactive

    Neither is a very good paring with a 410.
  12. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    Best results, pair with a second 410HE. People who say to pair with a 15 are "hearing with their eyes", thinking a 15 must have more low end; or thinking the extra lows they hear comes from the 15 when more likely it comes from stacking speakers up higher closer to their ears.

    Edit, I just re-read where you currently have a 15 and were thinking about adding a 410; in that case, consider adding a second 15 instead. Or keep the 15 for practice, and get a 610 or something like that for gigs.
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