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Rage Against The Machine = Gang of Four?

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by Matthew West, Feb 26, 2002.

  1. I was listening to Entertainment! today, and started thinking that RATM spent a career ripping off Gang of Four. From the angular guitar to the funky rhythm section to the political neo-socialist lyrics, RATM ripped them off completely.

    Has anyone else here ever thought the same thing?
  2. old_skool


    Aug 17, 2000
    Milwaukee, WI
  3. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    i wouldn't be surprised. but hey, morello's a commie, right? ;) that pretty much explains it right there.
  4. JimK


    Dec 12, 1999
    Actually, I thought the RHCP ripped off Gang Of Four... ;)
  5. yeah, but flea admits to that freely in the liner notes to the last pressing of Entertainment!
  6. Jarrod


    Jan 1, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    no, i haven't thought the same thing.... obviously, you just don't like rage, and that's fine, but ripping off gang of four? i don't think so

    and to JT, no, morello is not a commie... he's a socialist... there's a big difference... not that being either one would make someone more inclined to ripping someone off

    socialism is about equal opportunities for everyone, not copying people... i know you were making a joke, but your joke doesn't even make sense
  7. Did I ever say or imply I dislike RATM? Tell me where I said that.

    Here's a question for you - have you ever listened to Gang of Four? Studied the lyrics?

    Calm down. Maybe it's time for another Subway sub.
  8. JimK


    Dec 12, 1999

    (BTW, the Renegades suck!) :D
  9. I've never listened to Gang of Four, but now I'm inclined to check them out. I used to be a Rage fan, back when Evil Empire was still big. But, since then, everything sounds the same. When Battle of LA came out, they had something like 3 radio singles, and I could never tell the difference between the songs.

    I like their music, but the lyrics? Too political for my taste, especially since I disagree with a lot of it.

    I like Zach way back when he was the vocalist for Inside out.

    Besides, his dreads are fake, or so I've heard. Not that it has anything to do with the music...
  10. red-hot-bassist


    Sep 18, 2001
    i dunno gang of four, buti like rage, untill zack went off on a ego trip towards the end of evil empire and turned it into a hip hop fest

    tell us more about gang of four, I have never heard of them?
  11. British post-punk band, late 70's. Made three good albums (Entertainment!, Solid Gold, and Songs of the Free), broke up, got back together minus some members, made a few crappy records, broke up again. Very politically oriented, somewhat socialist in approach. Guitar player Andy Gill played very jagged riffs, often making pure noise. Rhythm section was very funky without being funk. Generally regarded as one of the most influential and important bands of the last 25 years. Gang of Four influence is very evident in early Chili Peppers, Fugazi, REM, U2, etc.

    RATM is basically a more mainstream version of Gang of Four. Jon Kings lyrics were much more intelligent and subtle than Mr. De La Rocha's, but the basic subject matter is the same.

    I think everyine should own Entertainment!, especially anyone that likes punk, funk, or indie.
  12. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    dude, you need to learn about that which you speak.

    i know what socialism is about - a lot better than you do, obviously if that's all that you think socialism is about. i also know what "pinko" (you know, what's on tom's hat sometimes?) means, and it isn't socialism.

    as for my joke, it would make a lot more sense if you actually knew what you were talking about.

    check your "rage against the machine" suggested reading list for "capital" by karl marx, and read it. :rolleyes:
  13. Disco_Dave


    Feb 22, 2002
    I heard a quote by Mr Joe Strummer (of that other half decent socio-political group!) who said that De La Rocha had exactly the same problem as he did in the 80's, that he was becoming a professional rebel.
  14. istaticl


    Nov 29, 2000
    Prescott, AZ
    He also wears a hat the says "commie" strait up on it. I really need to cheack out gang of four. Are the vocals real punkish? hardcore?
  15. Jarrod


    Jan 1, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    yeah i've heard em, but saying every funky band rips off gang of four is ludicrous

    subway sub joke = pathetic attempt at an insult, and just not funny
  16. Jarrod


    Jan 1, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    ok, so its going to be like this i see

    first off, don't "dude" me

    second, you don't give me enough credit for understanding socialism... i just typed out a quick response figuring that there wasn't much point to writing an essay for you.... if you really want me to, i can... from what you've said so far, i think i can safely assume you equate socialism with pure evil

    third, tom morello wears a "commie" hat sometimes to lampoon people who call him a communist simply because he is against capitalism, and judge him without taking the time to understand him

    fourth, your joke still isn't funny

    i think too many people on this thread were alive during the mccarthy era to bother having a real conversation about this

    go ahead, make a subway joke too

  17. Maybe you should go back and read my original post in it's entirety.

    Get that Subway thing a lot, dontcha?
  18. Jeez guys take it easy. This was just an opinion and now it's becoming a big argument. Methinks this thread should be closed before anymore fights start. Naturally by saying this everyone is gonna say "We weren't arguing. We are merely exchanging opinion." Exchange or not talkbass isn't the place to fling insults at each other.
  19. There's only one person who's upset. No need to shut something down for that.
  20. Jarrod


    Jan 1, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    maybe, but thats because i was the only one who was INSULTED