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Realistic and K&K Double Big Twin

Discussion in 'Amps, Mics & Pickups [DB]' started by ejuzek, Apr 20, 2003.


  1. Cheers !!!!

    Does anyone had any experience blending a Realistic and a Double Big Twin ???

    I used to have problems with the K&K DBT on low volume (situations) it handle it superb ! but on very loud (lousy drummers, etc.) it gave me a lot of feedback...

    And I changed it for a realistic but on Load Volumes... no highs at all... So that´s why I´m thinking about getting a K&K blender....

    Any Comments....
     
  2. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY
    The Double Big Twin is a very feedback prone pickup, probably because it's very heavy on the highs in a "Fishmanlike" kind of way. This might well make it a good companion to the Realist, which is dark as a moonless night. Personally, I prefer the Bass Max over both, BUT....if you were to buy a two channel blender, you could use mostly Realist and blend in a little high end from the DBT and probably brighten your sound a bit and avoid some feedback that way. Plus, even if you still didn't care for the sound, you'd still have a two channel blender, which might come in handy later. Best of luck.
     
  3. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    Chris, I've you've got a DBT handy, try it with the Fishman blender. My paradigms are shifting....
     
  4. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY

    You lost me. I no longer have the DBT - I chopped it up and fashioned it into a second Bass Max. What results do you get with the Fishman, and what the hell is going on with your paradigms?
     
  5. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    I tried my Bass Master Pro with the Fishman blender and it sounds fantastic! The DBT half of it gets so much low end now, where it didn't get that much before. I'll have to do a gig with it (friday, I guess), but I think I've found my combination. Very sweet.
     
  6. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    Issat really the best you could do?

    You're slipping. :D
     
  7. doublehorn

    doublehorn

    Feb 7, 2014
    Rossland, BC
    This is a pretty old thread, but if any one of you fine gentlemen of the low end is still watching, especially anyone who has actually blended a Double Big Twin with a bridge foot, adjuster or wing transducer, I'd love to hear how that worked out. I have a Chinese plywood beater for live performance that sounds surprisingly good unamplified, but I've yet to find a way to amplify that sound for live performance that sounds authentic and can survive 102dB, which is an actual figure I pulled with an SPL meter a while ago during a show. Things I've tried so far:
    1. Shure Beta A/B clip mic - sounds amazing placed under the bridge pointed at the top, but feeds back around 85dB, so is no good for live shows, at least with the deafening dirt bags I play with. Great for recording though.
    2. Gage Lifeline under the E-side bridge adjuster - never feeds back, even loud loud loud, but produces a very dark tone with almost no harmonics or string detail. It's all fundamental and nothing else.
    3. Both of the above through the 1Mo inputs of an Acoustic Image Clarus head, on their own and blended
    4. The Lifeline through a Radial Engineering Tonebone PZ Pre set to 10Mo impedance setting
    5. Every EQ, phase and low pass combination imaginable using all the above gear
    I guess I'm hoping to find a piezo that produces mostly middle frequencies & string detail to blend with the Lifeline, which produces plenty of low end, but little else. Blending capacity, I have in spades - 4 channels altogether - so that's no problem. So before I blow $150 and make a mess of my bridge, I'd like to hear if anyone has had any luck blending the Double Big Twin in this way.

    Any thoughts, I'd love to hear them.

    p.s. as an unexpected bonus, all of my basses sound amazing through the Radial Eng Tonebone set to 10Mo, even the 18v active basses but especially the vintage passive Jazz, so I can't recommend the Tonebone enough for any bass playing any style. And that's not just because I'm Canadian and from BC either. I know you were thinking it.
     
  8. Carl Hillman

    Carl Hillman

    Jan 1, 2010
    That needs to be the name of a band...if it's not already.
     
  9. I think you might get happier if you change the Lifeline to a Full Circle and forget the Double Big Twin.
     
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  10. doublehorn

    doublehorn

    Feb 7, 2014
    Rossland, BC
    Ha! The Deafening Dirt Bags. That's much more to the point than the name we're using now. Good call, CH.

    That's an interesting thought about the Fishman Full Circle, DM. Looks like the transducer is maybe sandwiched right into the adjuster wheel on that model? Do you find that piezo placement produces a better sound than the Lifeline?
     
  11. There are four piezo crystals in the corners of a square inside the adjuster disc. That also means that turning the wheel a bit changes the sound. It repeats after a fourth turn and is mirrored in half of that. The better but more expensive (original) adjuster pickup is the Japanese Yamahiko. It can happen that the Full Circle piezo crystals get damaged due to high pressure of the strings or a hard impact onto the bridge. Usually lives at least 5 years, mine is older, still works and I got it used.
    I once heard the Lifeline at Musikmesse Frankfurt several years ago and disliked the dark sound. But I like to hear some more mid frequencies from my instrument, that others try to avoid. If you play alone amplified the Full Circle doesn't have the nicest sound, but it gets through the band well and even works with the bow. Just be sure to get the right version of the Full Circle, because they are available with different threads.
     
  12. Josh Kneisel

    Josh Kneisel

    Jun 17, 2016
    Arizona
    I like the Lifeline but I do cut bass and bass mid and boost highs and high mids
     
  13. doublehorn

    doublehorn

    Feb 7, 2014
    Rossland, BC
    Ya Josh, it's not that I dislike the Lifeline exactly, it's just a bit muddy. The 10Mo piezo buffer circuit in the Tonebone audibly introduces more clarity and definition and EQ helps a bit, but it seems there's just an inherent limit on the amount of higher frequencies, like string attack transients, that the Gage can interpret. 75% of the time, all the ensemble really needs is fundamentals anyway, but for my own personal satisfaction, I'd like the bass to sound a bit more authentic.

    Tell you what, I'm just going to pull the trigger on the Double Big Twin, blend it with the Lifeline then report back to this thread with my findings. Several DBT users have described the sound as 'thin' or 'stringy', which alone, would be a problem. But blended with the bottomy Lifeline, this could actually be a good thing. There's a floor model on eBay for $79 at the moment, so in the scope of the money I've blown on bass gear over the years, that hardly registers. I'm just gonna do it.

    Stand by...