Long story short, I got a fender active jazz bass, Didnt like the sound. Went to the music store where i purchased it to exchange it, All they had was fretless jazz basses and two affinity p basses that felt extremely cheap. Went to their sister company and that is where i picked up a Yamaha BB434M which has a similar look to the fender P-bass. I cannot afford to outright buy pickups so I’ve resorted to American musical supply as they allow no credit check financing. Not a whole lot of options. The three that I’ve took interest to are the EMG Geezer butler which comes with a J bass pickup as well, then there’s the Seymour SPB-1 & SPB-3. I’m looking for that classic P-bass sound that I’m sure a lot of you are familiar with but i also want something that allows me to switch genres...rock, jazz, R&B/Soul...Sorry for the lengthy post but any recommendations are appreciated. I’ve tried to search these pickups on here for X vs X but they’re usually more focused on just one pickup.
What's wrong with the pickups that are in the bass? Yamaha makes great basses, BB series is one of the best imo. Unless you have a specific problem you need to address, I suggest two things: try a few different sets of strings (check out the Strings subforum for ideas), and tweak the setup (particularly pickup height), both of which have a massive influence on tone.
It’s not that they’re bad, it’s just not the sound I’m looking for. I do like the sound of the SPB-1 pickups but the geezer ones also come with three pickups, which my bass has. As far as pickup height, they’re slanted which is what I saw should be done with p-bass configured pickups. I do know flatwounds change the sound in a better way and that’s why I’ve seen them paired with “vintage” style pickups, but like I mentioned, I don’t wanna be tied to a specific genre because said genre doesn’t go well with flatwounds.
Slant is adjusted to maintain balance across strings. You can raise and lower the pickups, while maintaining the slant (and thus balance), but it will change the tone of the bass. In general, I'd recommend lowering pickups for a more "vintage" tone, but it's worth dialing it in to your idea of a vintage sound - just use your own ears. There are many different kinds of strings, and flats are not the only "vintage" strings. For a middle-of-the-road sound, I find nickle plated steel string work very well, and even among those there are so many different brands and models that it can keep you busy for a while trying them. Then there are pressurewounds, which are a nice balance between my favorite aspects of rounds and flats. If you want to change the pickups, SPB-1 and GZR are really good choices for a more classic sound. I just don't know that they will sound that much different from the stock pickups. One thing, though, I think Yamaha uses a single coil J, so it will hum...I'd probably go with GZRs to get a humcancelling set.
I agree. I’ve only had the guitar for about 2 weeks. One thing i will say though is I’ve listened to my bass being played online, playing it myself, and then comparing that sound with the different pickups such as the SPB-1 and the GZRs and i can say that they both sound much different to me. I’ve seen the comments on YouTube of people saying “I heard zero difference between this pickup and that pickup.” When i personally did hear a difference so it seems everyone’s ears are different. You may hear my bass vs those pickups and think they sound exactly the same. I’ve ran that through my head a few times wondering “ what if i buy these and they sound exactly the same?” And that’s why I’ve listened to all of them over and over. Like i had mentioned earlier, I dont want to tie myself to one genre so i feel the GZR’s can give me a little bit of that classic tone for jazz, R&B/Soul, but still be able to play stuff like Foo Fighters, Circa Survive, etc. I feel if i bought flats and a “vintage” sounding pickup such as the SPB-1, I’m kinda stuck with jazz, funk, etc.
If you're wanting that "classic" P sound, the Duncan SPB-1 and EMG GZR are both good options. Don't forget to look into the Nordstrand offerings as well. Personally I have been looking into that same series Yamaha BB as a backup and putting a Dimarzio Model P and Model J it, not exactly "classic", more on the aggressive side.
I think I’m going with the EMG just because it’s basically a complete upgrade. Not only will the the p and j pickups be upgraded, but all the wiring (which I heard was cheap wiring) and the pots.
If the wiring, pots and jack are that big a concern, then yeah the EMG sets will be the better deal as it's a full replacement of the guts. The BB434 I tried sounded great to my ears in stock form and was very versatile, even when comparing it to my Fender US P5. Honestly, I don't think that Yamaha uses "cheap" pots and wiring, but I suspect that they do use parts in keeping with the price point of the instrument while trying to keep the instrument as versatile as possible.
I’m fairly new to bass to be honest so I might just be nitpicking. I play bass in middle school for jazz band but that was around 2004. The guitar may be perfectly fine the way it is but it’s also kind of exciting to do something new. Every guitar I’ve had has always been stock, never was able to do anything to them. I don’t know what’s considered cheap when it comes to pots but the ones in my bass are $2.97 ea. They are alpha pots
Whatever it is you’re looking for with regards to P pickups, people here will most assuredly recommend their favorite.
No worries. I think everyone wants to customize their instrument to some level, the same as most people do with their cars. I bought my BB415 probably 12 years ago and immediately started looking at ways to upgrade/personalize it. Ended up doing nothing to it. Do what makes you happy. Your tastes may change over time and when that happens so will the parts your prefer to reach a given tone. As far as standard pots go, CTS will run you about $6 each, Bournes will run you about $4 each. Some will be more, some will be less. They really are not that expensive. "Cheap" is kind of a relative term. You can always go to somewhere like https://www.bestbassgear.com and look around to get an idea. @sikamikanico recommended it previously, but before you start replacing parts, try different brands and types of string sets. You may be surprised at how that alone will change the sound of your instrument. And it's not a permanent change. Don't like what you got? Put something else on. My Precision sounds entirely different going from just Rotosound RS66 steels to the RS66 Nickels, nevermind the difference to EB Slinkies or Slinky Steels, D'Addario ProSteels or Chromes, even DR HighBeams or Pure Blues. Every string type from every manufacturer brings something different to the table.
I would like a hybrid string that does well with all types of music. I feel like flat wounds are more for the jazz type stuff where as from what I understand, round wounds are better suited for rock, punk etc. D’addario makes a sting called Half rounds which is a hybrid string. You have any recommendations for a decent hybrid string that I could use to play funk, jazz, R&B/Soul, rock?
That's a LOT of ground to cover for one string set. Believe me we would ALL love a single string set that did everything. Much will depend on the genre you're playing and the techniques you employ as to which string will work better. You'll likely end up with several sets of strings laying around to cover multiple scenarios. I've got ProSteels on right now, with Chromes on the shelf for my classic rock and church sets, as well as an old set of slinkys and Rotosound RS66s as backups. I've been curious about the D'addario half wounds as well as the Rotosound RS55 Solo Bass set. Similar product, Nickel vs Stainless, ground wound vs pressure wound. Feel of flats, brightness of rounds, minimal finger chirp. Could also look into EB Cobalt flats, flats that are as bright as rounds supposedly. Considering all the ground you're trying to cover, the half rounds may be a good bet for you.
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I ended up getting d’addario chromes. They don’t sound bad and I can still turn up my j pickup and get a decent tone for rock songs.
Chromes are a good choice. When I'm in the mood for flats I like them pretty well. There's a whole club on TB devoted to Chromes, just FYI. Flats are a very particular thing. They vary greatly brand to brand, probably as much as rounds. Chromes aren't *super* bright and they are pretty flexible, but they have a weird upper mid thing about them. Rotosound flats are nice, but they aren't very smooth (still grippy like most stainless steels, but it wears down) and they are brighter, but they are very high tension.
I did end up ordering the GZR EMG pj set but I’m afraid when I loosen the strings that they’re gonna break lol. Yesterday was my first time replacing strings and it got to a point while tuning that I felt one more turn and this thing is gonna snap. Mainly on the D and G string.
Sheesh! You sure you're tuning them to the right notes? If you are, then your strings should be fine, although accidents can happen. And congratulations on your excellent taste in pickups
Yes lol I used a tuner. Standard tuning. But I’m used to guitar strings, not bass. What I was feeling might have been normal but it just felt tight. No weird noises though and idk if having a graphtech nut helps anything but yeah. I’d imagine as thick as they are that it probably takes quite a bit of tension to break them.