Heeeeyyyy Sorry but I have to start with a bit of backround: I'm a passive bass guy... Just to give yall general reference I'd compare my playing style to Colin Greenwood (not trying to be pretentious, he's much better... just trying to give you an idea of the style of music in question without having to say what I think about people who slap ). So passive is my go to, and it's favored by all the recording engineers I ever worked with... but... I was given this active bass that's just beyond amazing. I never recorded an active bass, curious about public opinion on this one So I'm trying to prepare as best I can for an upcoming session. Some songs feature a more vintage, sweet sound. (old dark sounding Rick). will be using my vintage Twin Reverb (guitar amp) as a bass amp, in addition to DI - this I have no worries about. Other songs feature a more frontal, 80's approach. The bass I will be using for them is a monster, a friend's 81' Special P Bass, the first ever to feature active electronics. It's an amazing bass, and it's booster truely sounds like a good studio preamp to my ears, unlike an average active bass. It's extremely bright and present. Sounds prefect, and the booster makes it much much better than it's passive sound. My worry is the Twin Reverb won't be able to handle this hot signal, and that the DI alone will not do justice with the boosted signal, which sounds insanely good when pushing a nice GK RB-800 or SVT... But we do not have this type of bass amp on hand. So the questions on my mind are: 1. Is my fear of damaging the Twin Reverb with mega loud active P bass with endless sustain a rational one? 2. Do you guys record active basses direct? 3. Is there any truth to my suspicion Active+Direct won't sound as good as it does through an amp? (When recording passive basses I do know how to get a pretty full, warm sound with a direct signal and no amp, using studio compressors/preamps... Just don't feel like the full glory of this specific bass can be captured by a DI alone... again, in passive mode this bass dosen't shine as bright...) So feel free to share any thoughts or tips Thank youuuu
Have you actually tested the signals to make sure that the mega loud active P is actually mega loud? I'd take a look at the signal strength on the meter going straight in. If it's too hot, just turn down the volume a little on the instrument itself. I have in the past, it's fine. More often than not I still also use some other sort of preamp, either in pedal or amp format first. Just my personal preference, as opposed to using plugins for it. Edit: wait I misunderstood. Yes if you like the sound of an amp, you may miss what it adds. Depending on what flavoring you use your amp for, it may not sound as good to you compared to going direct. Test it out and use what you like best!
My simple version is to just get the levels right going direct and see if you like the sound. The D.I. will pass - or should if it's halfway decent - whatever you put in it. The Twin doesn't care what type of signal you put in it either, again the input level is key. It could suffer only if you're running it very loud and even then.....it's a Twin.
You won't damage the amp with a hot signal but the speakers won't like it. I wouldn't use a twin reverb for any bass personally
The issue won't be because of the hot signal from the bass though, the issue will just be due to the speakers handling bass frequencies at higher volume levels. If volume is kept low, it should be alright. Even a very low output bass would cause the same issues when the amp is turned up to similar levels.
Have you tried? It's quite amazing. with low output or shy sounding basses it gives lots of tubey presence. Good to know the signal won't damage the amp itself. I can test... but It's like a crazy 200% boost or something on these old P Bass Specials.
I've recorded direct with my Tobias Growler, an active bass, with no issues. All interfaces I've encountered have a gain control on their input and as mentioned you also have a volume knob on the bass. Between the two you can find that happy place.
Nice. Yeah with passive basses also the speakers start crying at about 3.5 so I like recording it at like 3 normally... But I fear with the P Bass the speakers have tears in their eyes at like fkin 1 volume... Thats what made me think "is this good for the amp itself?"
It is true I didn't give enough thought to lettin go of that OCD of "ITS A P BASS VOLUME 100% ALL THE TIME WOOOO".
It's there for more than just looking pretty. I would say that proper gain staging is the key to getting the best tone.
how did you know it was pretty? However after experimenting a bit the pots are weird when the volume turns like 75% within in the first 5% of turning the knob. Weird 80s vibes.
First of all, if you have found your voice, record that. But be flexible with the EQ on the bass. Only suggestions if you are recording with an active bass are to make sure the battery is reasonably fresh (some last a long time, some preamps eat batteries) and flatten the EQ on the bass. If you record your bass basically flat you might find it easier to adjust in the mix once the band lays down the guitar and badgermin tracks, you won't want to drown out in the mix:
Holy fk man. That's intense. As for batteries... I have spare ones but does a fresh battery sound different/better?
I personally don't stress about the battery being new, I just keep an extra in my bag. I've been using some John East preamps that consume batteries pretty quickly and some Rays where they seem to last forever.
The Twin Reverb amp section is essentially the same as a Dual Showman. No worries playing bass thru that. The speakers, especially an open back cab, are the weak point. Keep your volume and bass eq in check and it will be ok. If the speakers complain cease and desist and reduce volume and/or bass eq. Long ago and in a galaxy far far away I would occasionally play thru a Twin or Super Reverb and at lower volume it worked and sounded ok.
Of course, you follow your bliss, but it sounds like a lot of work when using a bass amp might solve all your problems. I used lots of Showmans in Europe, they used to be the standard backline bass amp, and I found they all distorted way too early. Any the solution to you output problem is still- turn down your bass.
The twin into a load box or a real bass cab will be just fine. It'll sound great. You COULD trash the twins speakers playing bass through them loud. If you're using the twins speakers and care about them much I'd keep it at bookstore conversation levels. Great thing about recording is you don't need to make it loud, you only need to make it sound good, loud enough to record. (TLDR: dont use your vintage twins speakers for recording bass very loud at all. amp itself OK)