Reddi hums in live settings

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by galore, Dec 27, 2014.

  1. galore

    galore

    May 10, 2006
    EU
    I'm having some problems with reddi in live settings. I'm running signal from pedalboard into reddi which feeds foh mixer through xlr port. From thru I send signal to amp. I get loud low frequency noise from my amp (cab) no matter what position ground lift switch is in.

    I also use reddi for vocal recording where it functions alright, but I don't use thru port in that setting.

    Any ideas what could be wrong? It happened on different occasions, at different venues. Whenever I bypass reddi (from pedalboard straight into amp) there is no noise.
     
  2. beans-on-toast

    beans-on-toast

    Aug 7, 2008
    It could be a ground loop with the pedal board power and the REDDI. This can happen if the grounds the the devices are plugged into are at different levels.

    Into what are you plugging the amp, pedal board, and the REDDI. Any power strips involved? Try the REDDI and the pedal board power into the same power outlet.
     
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  3. galore

    galore

    May 10, 2006
    EU
    The last time I had amp and reddi on one power source and pedalboard on another. Usually I have pedalboard plugged into the closest power stip while amp and reddi into another at the back but I usually don't know if it's the same source or not.

    But shouldn't ground lift do exactly that - break the ground loop between pedalboard and reddi in this case?
     
  4. No the ground lift is for the XLR only, not the 1/4". You could only lift the ground on a balanced 1/4" (TRS, not a TS).
     
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  5. galore

    galore

    May 10, 2006
    EU
    That makes sense. So using a TRS would help in this case, assuming ground lift lifts thru port as well?
     
  6. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Buy a Whirlwind Lifter. It's an outboard pin 1 lifter for the XLR out. Never fails to work for me.
     
  7. galore

    galore

    May 10, 2006
    EU
    Jimmy I don't get that. This whirlwind lifter would go to xlr out that connects to foh mixer? How would that help?
     
  8. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Don't ask me how, but it does. I don't get hums very often, but now and then I do, and the Lifter fixes them every time.
     
  9. 10cc

    10cc Inactive

    Oct 28, 2013
    Well now I don't want to get a REDDI. I'd hate to have to bring along one more thing "just in case". Especially after shelling out the money for a REDDI. Oh wait. I don't have a pedalboard, back to saving some money for a REDDI.
     
  10. beans-on-toast

    beans-on-toast

    Aug 7, 2008
    Plug the REDDI and the pedal board into the same outlet and try that. If it is a power ground loop between these units, it could resolve the hum issue.
     
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2014
  11. Geri O

    Geri O Endorsing Artist, Mike Lull Guitars and Basses Gold Supporting Member

    Sep 6, 2013
    Florence, MS
    Jimmy, you needing to carry another lifter is kinda strange, since the Reddi has a "ground lift" which is actually a Pin1 lift, which should perform the same function as your Whirlwind Lifter.

    Not doubting your experiences or results at all, but the PA guy in me wants to investigate this further. And in your situation with PA and Backline Du Jour and the different situations you see regularly, it's not a bad idea at all to have that extra Lifter handy. There's no telling what is going on when you have to use the lifter.

    The church just bought a Reddi (!!!I Know!!!) DI and it's 110 ways to awesome! We were all blown away with the sound quality of the basses with the Reddi, even over the Radial J48s and JDIs we were using. We haven't had any noise issues with this one, but we don't use amps, either, all IEM (yeah, THAT approach, but it seems to work well for us).
     
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  12. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    It's not something that happens every day, I can tell you that, and it only happens on some occasions where I'm using a tube amp. SS amps...no problem. No amp...no problem.
     
  13. Back to that pedal board, are you sure you haven't got a noise feeding into the Reddi? No amount of lifting ground from the Reddi would cure that.
     
  14. galore

    galore

    May 10, 2006
    EU
    I'm not sure but when I go from pedalboard straight into amp there is no noise.

    I haven't tried bypassing the pedalboard, though.

    And the noise is coming from the amp/cab, there is no noise in FOH, so I guess pedalboard should be fine?

    The noise from the amp is really loud hum which starts as soon as I connect cable from reddi's through to amp's input and is completely unrelated to any of amp's knob settings such as volume and gain. The noise is always of same loudness and character.
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2014
  15. SirMjac28

    SirMjac28 Patiently Waiting For The Next British Invasion

    Aug 25, 2010
    The Great Midwest
    I think bypassing the pedalboard is the first thing you should do.
     
  16. john m

    john m Supporting Member

    Jan 15, 2006
    The FOH mixer ground is too far or different from the back line ground, causing the loop.

    Creating one, common for the entire system eliminates the hum caused by different line to ground potentials at each piece of equipment.
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2014
  17. Dave W

    Dave W

    Mar 1, 2007
    Westchester, NY
    Agreed.

    Keep it simple and see what happens. If you find it is the board, introduce one pedal at a time until you find the problem. It could also be a bad patch cable on the board.
     
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  18. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Or you can quit wasting your time and get the outboard pin 1 lifter ;)
     
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  19. 10cc

    10cc Inactive

    Oct 28, 2013
    Been eyeballing that one in the classifieds. Wow good price too.:thumbsup:
     
  20. I will add to this, your amp should be on the same circuit as well.
    Your XLR to the desk is not noisy so you don't need extra hardware to carry, the trouble is with the 1/4". The Reddi, pedal board supply and your amp need to be on the same circuit. I run into this all the time with our keys when he plugs into a different outlet, constant hum in the PA until I chastise him again for not paying attention.

    An external ground lift will not work on a 1/4" unbalanced circuit.
     
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