Refin or not to refin? That's the Q (1967 Gibson EB-0)

Discussion in 'Hardware, Setup & Repair [BG]' started by depalm, Dec 18, 2018.


  1. depalm

    depalm

    Apr 22, 2004
    São Paulo
    Hello and merry christmas everyone
    I've just added this 67 Gibson EB-0 to my collection for a really nice price.
    The problem is that there is a missing chunk of wood near the bottom, and although the jack is stable and solid, I think it needs some reinforcement. I don't know what could have happened there. It plays and sounds great as an EB-0 should.
    I just started to think about doing a professional refinish to solve these little problems but first, I would like to get some advice from you. Do you think it's worth it?
    If refin is not an option, how can I fix the missing chunk and jack?
    I do not care much about resale value, since I do not use to sell equipment, but I'd like to keep the "old vibe".

    Everything else is in really good condition.
    I would replace the original bridge with a Hipshot Supertone, just to get a better intonation.
    The Sidewinder Pickup is a monster and sings very well, dark and muddy.
    Frets are good, truss rod is working perfectly.

    Hope to hear from you soon and thank you in advance.
    Best



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  2. sissy kathy

    sissy kathy Back to Bass-ics Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 21, 2014
    Arbutus, MD
    You can reinforce the cavity from the inside by epoxying a metal plate in the cavity. You could use some naphtha to clean the body. I get real sentimental real fast over some things, and a Gidson EB0 is one of those things. I wouldn't be inclined to add anything to the bass. That said you could carve out a regular size from the chipped area and add a patch in there that would be rather innocuous but it being a mahogany body it will always be visible unless it is painted an opaque color. You could make the repair a feature of the bass though by routing out a strip the length of the body and gluing in a contrasting wood. Could even do it on the bass side as well to balance things out.
     
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  3. depalm

    depalm

    Apr 22, 2004
    São Paulo
    Thank you, Sissy. Yes, I'll maybe try to reinforce the jack, just in case.
    The chipping is ugly but have no effect on the playability or sound.
     
  4. RSBBass

    RSBBass

    Jun 11, 2011
    NYC
    As long as it doesn't impact the play-ability I would leave it.
     
  5. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    While I respect @sissy kathy , I come from the polar opposite end of the spectrum. I rarely get sentimental over objects. Thus, this bass is screaming for some Marty Bell love.

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  6. depalm

    depalm

    Apr 22, 2004
    São Paulo
    I doesn't. But in this condition, the bass has already a low resale value… maybe worth refinish and, at least, keep the bass in good condition. Thank you.
     
  7. depalm

    depalm

    Apr 22, 2004
    São Paulo
    The bass is in São Paulo, Brazil. Sending it to US would cost me a lot. I'd do the refinish here. There are some nice places here that could make a great refin.
     
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  8. RSBBass

    RSBBass

    Jun 11, 2011
    NYC
    If you would like it to look new than a refinish is the way to go but unless you go with a solid color a repair will be visible.
     
  9. depalm

    depalm

    Apr 22, 2004
    São Paulo
    That's the problem. This bass has a such nice vibe this way. It feels like my favorite t shirt, you know?
    Light and easy to play… I'd like it to look like it is except for the missing chunk and specially the stressed jack.
     
  10. sissy kathy

    sissy kathy Back to Bass-ics Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 21, 2014
    Arbutus, MD
    While I'm not familiar with luthier artisans in Brazil, I have seen repairs done by some in both the US and UK. They can do some amazing things with broken acoustics. I imagine there are equally competent folks down there that can do justice to that bass, you just have to find them.
     
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  11. hotbass57

    hotbass57

    Nov 27, 2011
    Fairfield,Ohio
    Looks like a cymbal hit possibly. I would do what Sissy said and reinforce jack from inside. Other than that it needs it's mojo unless the missing chunk really bothers you.
     
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  12. If there is enough threads on the jack I have used a large washer (from a straplock?) inside or outside to help reinforce the area. If you look on the StewMac channel on YouTube I believe they repair and SG where the jack broke out and replace a missing chunk of wood on an old tele body.
     
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  13. 202dy

    202dy Supporting Member

    Sep 26, 2006
    You should not be looking for a repair tech.

    You should be looking for an instrument restoration specialist. A person who knows restoration work will be able to match the grain and fit a piece of mahogany into the body that will match the surrounding area. Their experience will allow them to color match and blend the lacquer, complete with crazing.

    If you or your repair tech is capable of making a repair that is undetectable, go for it. If not, find someone you can.
     
  14. Anyone know where to get replacement felt (as seen on the mute)? I know there are other options (like neoprene mousepads) but I'd like to go with felt if possible. I almost just ordered some from Amazon, but I don't know the correct specs.
     
  15. sissy kathy

    sissy kathy Back to Bass-ics Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 21, 2014
    Arbutus, MD
    You can still buy weather stripping made of felt. Use that and double sided tape. One of the nice things about that mute is you can control its effect, so thickness shouldn't be a big issue.
     
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  16. One can find amazingly useful things in a well stocked hardware emporium. Such as, perhaps, a larger round washer to replace that little one under the jack’s locknut. That should stabilize it.
     
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  17. depalm

    depalm

    Apr 22, 2004
    São Paulo
    Yeah, definitely. I’ve already bought some.

    Apparently, someone tried to install a “short neck” jack at some point, instead of a regular sized neck and really screwed it.
    Thanks.
     
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  18. Turnaround

    Turnaround Commercial User

    May 6, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Independent Instrument Technician
    Sure, refinish it. I seriously doubt that that's the original finish anyway, and if it is, it's so badly damaged that it's not worth preserving as original.
     
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  19. depalm

    depalm

    Apr 22, 2004
    São Paulo
    Thank you, @Turnaround. My thoughts exactly.

    This leads me to the next question: What kind of finish did Gibson use in the mid-sixties?
     
  20. 202dy

    202dy Supporting Member

    Sep 26, 2006
    The finish that is currently on the guitar.

    In the mid sixties there were two tranparent finishes on the EB series instruments. They were cherry red (not like the cherry red on an ES-335, much more muted with brown) and walnut. Red was seen more often than walnut. Your's appears to be cherry red.
     
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