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Replacing Epifani w/Avatar

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by tallboybass, Jul 19, 2005.


  1. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Here's one that'll get the kids in an uproar. I just ordered a second Avatar B210 Delta to replace an Epifani T210 NYC. I've never been able to get the mids out of the Epi like I can the Avi(?). The rooms I play just get boomy with all the lows of the Epi. I tried turning down the lows, but it never had the mid definition of the Delta 210. I know this is all wrong and the planet will probably start spinning the other way, but I love my Avatars!

    Thank you, I feel better,
    Alan
     
  2. If it sounds good to you... go for it! I'm actually with you... I'm an Epifani fanatic, but really never liked the original NYC 210's at all. Glad you found something you like... and it's cheap to boot!!!!! :hyper:
     
  3. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Thanks, I guess the 210UL might have what I'm looking for, but the $$$ is certainly a factor.
     
  4. inazone

    inazone

    Apr 20, 2003
    Colorado
    If it sounds the best to you and hold up at gigs, then its the best cab made.
    Congrats!
     
  5. 43% burnt

    43% burnt an actor who wants to run the whole show

    May 4, 2004
    Bridgeport, CT
    Wow...who would've thunk it. Props to the guys at Avatar, I'm sure they'd be happy to hear this.

    Like others said, whatever works for you man.
     
  6. MJ5150

    MJ5150 Terrific Twister

    Apr 12, 2001
    Lacey, WA
    Oh well. You'll be back. :D

    -Mike
     
  7. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Probably not unless there are some MAJOR price cuts. They make great products, but so do ACMEACCUGROOVEAGUILARAMPEGASHDOWNBERGANTINODRBASS
    EDENEUPHONICFLITEGKMESAETCETCETC :bassist: :bassist: :hyper: :bassist: :bassist:
     
  8. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Just got my B210 which I've stacked vertically with the other one I already had. It sounds huge (in the house, doesn't everything?) with lots of mid definition. The tweeter doesn't even bother me too much if it's just barely on, I got one of the last ones with the old crossover. So far just using the WalkAbout head, but I'll try the 1001RB-II later.
     
  9. The Clap

    The Clap

    Jan 5, 2004
    Scottsdale, AZ
    The problem with the B210 is that it uses delta drivers that are more suited for guitar than bass because of their limited excursion capabilities. The are rated for 2-4x less linear excursion than most bass guitar drivers, and so while providing good clarity at moderate volumes, you may be disappointed with its ability to play loudly and with a good amount of bass without distorting. Everyone has different needs though, and if your band isn't a 120db act you may be ok using drivers with a smaller Xmax
     
  10. L-1329

    L-1329

    Aug 8, 2004
    I have both! My main rig has an Epi T410 and T115, and the rig I use at practice are Avatar's B212 and Neo 210. They both have a characteristic sound, and the Avatars are much more mid flavored. I certainly prefer the Epi's, but there's nothing wrong with the Avatar's either. Not to mention both Avatar's combined cost less than either one of the Epi's alone.
     
  11. I'd be most cruious to know if the Avatars throw as well as the Epis. What does the Avatar stack sound like when you get 20 feet in front of it vs the Epis?
     
  12. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    I've done fairly loud club gigs with just ONE B210 and it gets plenty loud. (I'm 48 yrs. OLD and play a 4-string) This second one should ease the strain on the speakers. I've owned speakers with larger Xmaxes and they seem much less defined to me.

    As a side note, I played a casino gig last night where they don't allow amps. I talked to the sound man after arriving at a sound I could live with and asked him how he had the EQ set. He said it was set pretty much flat except he rolled off about everything from 140hz on down! It sounded a little light on lows but MAN, I never suspected that!

    I'm just not sure bass cabs have to go to 30hz to sound good. Those super lows just seem to muddy up my sound. YMMV
     
  13. L-1329

    L-1329

    Aug 8, 2004
    Well, as for sound the Avatar's can't match the clarity and definition of the Epi's. This is not a very equal comparison though, so it's not a slam at Avatar. The Epi tone seems to fill in the room where the Avatar's seem to have a more cutting tone. I have noticed that the Avatar's tone is not bad at all for loud rock, though it could be a little more defined. From 20 ft out, the Avatar's seem to be a touch more directional, with a little more bite in the tone. Works well for rock. The Epi's are just simply 'there', very loud and clear and don't sound directional much at all. Just a room full of great bass sound. I am a little suprised by the levels the 210 and 212 Avatar's are able to put out. They sem to sound loud at lower power, and I believe that is just due to the mid range cutting tone they have. So, I can honestly recommend either one, just a matter of what sounds good to your ears. :cool:
     
  14. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Thanks for the comparison L, sounds like you have a couple of nice rigs! I guess all I was comparing was the 210 Epi to the 210 Avi. I have a problem lifting things or I'd have something a little bigger. ANY 410+115 rig is gonna sound huge, but I'll bet the Epi's are amazing. I had the 210+212 Avatar rig for a while and the 212 just sounded a little baggy to me with no mid definition. The 210 has exactly what the 212 lacks and vice versa, so they do work well together. I just prefer the punch and portability of the 210+210 setup. If money wasn't an object, I'd probably have 2 - 210UL Epi's!

    Alan