Given the battering some senior members of this board who have "been there done it and got the 'T' shirt" from some who are in the earlier stages of bass playing I thought you all might enjoy this by the sometimes curmudgeonly and right wing Roger Scruton, who despite his reputation does have a point? He is refering (I think) exclusively to British society but given some of the fracas on this board it struck a chord with me. The full text (and where other views are linked to) is at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4589586.stm The loss of respect in our society has a simple cause, which is that respect is no longer taught. Children are encouraged to think that they are the equals of their parents, their teachers and people in authority. They are not taught to address adults correctly or to defer to adult opinion. Insolence is seldom punished, and certainly not given the stigma that it deserves. The respect-free playground leads to the respect-free adult community. You see this especially on the BBC, in which news programmes, chat shows and interviews are conducted entirely without deference towards the knowledge, culture or social standing of the people who appear on them. The purpose of interviewing some public figure is not to gain instruction but to catch him out; the purpose of discussing some difficult issue is not to resolve it but to generate a heated exchange. It is regarded as wholly permissible to make personal remarks and ad hominem arguments, and the normal titles to respect, such as knowledge, expertise and high office, are deliberately brought down to a level where they can be laughed at.