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Rig Advice: Prog band with Roland PK5 Bass pedals

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by lpbfender, Jan 5, 2017.


  1. lpbfender

    lpbfender

    Jan 7, 2012
    Stamford CT
    My current stage rig is DNA 800 or Genz Benz 9.2 Shuttle was head (depending on basses used) driving two Eden D2-10 Xlt vertically stacked. We play a lot of old Genesis songs including those requiring bass pedals ( nt signal altering devices but like organ) ala Mike Rutherford as in Foxtrot era albums. Although he used Moog Taurus, I use Roland PK5 bass pedals driven by Nlog program connected midi. The pedals take the bass notes equivalent to a five string bass - actually stops at low c. Basses sedate Ric 4003, Fender P, Ray CAFL 4. Keeley Compressor pre input.

    Also have a DNA 1-12N cab for small gigs that I love.

    I usually run the bass pedals through a separate amp driving an Eden D1-15xlt, but carrying three cabs and two heads is taxing. I'm in good shape but 56.
    No bass guitar pa support as we play smaller to medium size clubs - we get PA support in theaters and the bass pedals rattle the walls as intended. We do play loud.

    Last couple of gigs, I tried running the pedals through the 2, 2-10xlt stacks and I noticed one of the drivers creased, second partially. So I guess my attempts to only run my setup through the 2-2-10's is over excursion. I just learned about the Eden 1060 drivers tendency to crease.
    I also own and run the PA which is two RCF 745A 1-15"/2"horn.

    All this is getting to bulky and heavy, so my question for this esteemed group is:

    1) Should I change over to the new Mesa Subway 1-15" ( one or two) handle both the basses and Roland PK5 and serve with the above heads a one rig for both? (sell the Eden cabs and buy Mesa 1-15's)

    2) Just add another DNA 1-12N and run as in 1)? ($700)

    3) Just add an 18" powered PA sub like the EV EKx 1-18sp at 72 lbs/on wheels and run the pedals and bass guitar (as well as kick drum) direct and use a cab for stage volume only. ( $800).

    Grateful for wisdom.
     
  2. lpbfender

    lpbfender

    Jan 7, 2012
    Stamford CT
    Bimp
     
  3. lpbfender

    lpbfender

    Jan 7, 2012
    Stamford CT
    Bump, ( fat thumbs )
     
  4. Dave W

    Dave W Supporting Member

    Mar 1, 2007
    White Plains
    Are you playing the bass at the same time that you're playing the bass pedals?

    I see you're in Stamford. Where are you guys playing? We play everywhere in town.
     
  5. lpbfender

    lpbfender

    Jan 7, 2012
    Stamford CT
    Bands name is "Prognosis" playing Pink Floyd, Genesis and Peter Gabriel. Gigging twice a month in Westchester County, Northrrn Jersey ( Mexicali) and LI. Haven't hit CT yet. Video projections and the works.

    I don't play bass guitar and pedals at same time usually except for two songs.
     
  6. lpbfender

    lpbfender

    Jan 7, 2012
    Stamford CT
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  7. lpbfender

    lpbfender

    Jan 7, 2012
    Stamford CT
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  8. Dave W

    Dave W Supporting Member

    Mar 1, 2007
    White Plains
    If you're always running the PA and bringing it I would add a sub and get a decent monitor of some sort for yourself, get a nice DI and/or preamp, then run direct all the time.
     
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  9. lpbfender

    lpbfender

    Jan 7, 2012
    Stamford CT
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  10. mp40smg

    mp40smg Supporting Member

    Aug 11, 2010
    Worcester, Ma.
    This is a tough one...

    I run a pk5 with a minitaur and/ or a mopho. I currently use a 1-10 EA and a jbl 15 in a joes cab. Everything is full range. I had been running everything, bass (or stick) and synths through a mixer and then into a head. And it is ok. For me the 10, (or 2*12 cab i have) just does not have enough whomp to give any semblance of what is happening though. With the big long lows it just misses. the 15 makes everything just happen. in a small enough package to be manageable.

    To me, the Taurus type big lows definitely need a 15 (or bigger). There is just no replacement for displacement.
     
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  11. mysteryclock

    mysteryclock Supporting Member

    Oct 3, 2010
    Franklin, TN
    Fluorescent eye makeup - check. Bat wing headgear - check. Robe-of-many-colors - check.

    Hope you sort your gear issues out, because this band is just packed full of win! Anyone who goes all-in that much with old Genesis is awesome! :thumbsup:
     
  12. lpbfender

    lpbfender

    Jan 7, 2012
    Stamford CT
    Yeah its a fun ride. The funny thing is I hadn't even heard of many of the tunes! Two year later I gotta Ric jetglo 4003 and a Reverend Black Airwaves 12 string and Roland Bass pedals!
     
  13. lpbfender

    lpbfender

    Jan 7, 2012
    Stamford CT
    Great advice. Do you think a Mesa Subway 15 or 2 could handle it?
     
  14. mp40smg

    mp40smg Supporting Member

    Aug 11, 2010
    Worcester, Ma.
    I have no idea..

    I currently switched over to a Warwick lwa 1000. The two independent channels allow me to have 2 separate eqs. And I can set up for either fretted and fretless, bass and treble stick or basses and pedals depending on how I input or send.

    If you are doing the Rutherford thing, with pedals, basses, synths and then throwing guitars into the mix, you might want to look at it as more of a PA situation rather than a bass amp. And do mixer with bass pre/ guitar pre separate sends to the pa and more full range speakers. as you are trying to cover a ton of range and signals. Take as much as possible off your plate and out it on the sound man.

    Or if you were really lucky.. get the whole band to go iem.
     
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  15. lpbfender

    lpbfender

    Jan 7, 2012
    Stamford CT
    Great advice? I do bring a separate combo for the 12 string and a sans amp paradriver for that too.

    I own and run the sound system - Presonus Live digital - iPad driven. Lead singer and I are on item's small floor monitors for all else.

    Seems like adding a PA lightweight subwoofer like the EV EKX 1-18 powered and going direct with the pedals and bass and a 1-12 on stage for bass may be best?
     
  16. mp40smg

    mp40smg Supporting Member

    Aug 11, 2010
    Worcester, Ma.
    That is sclepping a lot if gear!

    It's an investment. But, I'd try to get to speakerless and In ear monitors all the way around.
     
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