Running a Preamped bass through an Outboard preamp also...

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by jbassmaniac, Jul 18, 2013.

  1. jbassmaniac

    jbassmaniac REPRESENTING THE LOW END TO NO END! In Memoriam

    Apr 27, 2009
    Kansas City/Topeka KS
    I am wondering what you all think about the effect of running a bass that already has an onboard preamp through an outboard preamp. Is this unorthodox and which preamp is dominent or negated or cancelled? Would this work or would you get the sound of both preamps? Things that make you go "Hmmmmm".
     
  2. kirkm24

    kirkm24

    Jan 1, 2007
    Columbus, Ohio
    It doesn't make sense to me but I know a lot of guys that do it. If it sounds good, who cares?
     
  3. jbassmaniac

    jbassmaniac REPRESENTING THE LOW END TO NO END! In Memoriam

    Apr 27, 2009
    Kansas City/Topeka KS
    I guess the other thing I am concerned about is both have 18v systems. Is this safe for my amp?
     
  4. scubaduba

    scubaduba Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Dec 23, 2003
    Michigan
    All of my basses have preamps. I tweak the EQ to taste. Then I plug into my Submarine preamp pedal. Why? Because it sounds good. There's magic in that little box.
     
  5. lowfreq33

    lowfreq33

    Jan 27, 2010
    Nashville
    Endorsing Artist: Genz Benz Amplification
    As long as you have your gain structure right it's fine.
     
  6. jbassmaniac

    jbassmaniac REPRESENTING THE LOW END TO NO END! In Memoriam

    Apr 27, 2009
    Kansas City/Topeka KS
    The preamp is an Aggie DB954. It just ads more variables to my tone.
     
  7. jbassmaniac

    jbassmaniac REPRESENTING THE LOW END TO NO END! In Memoriam

    Apr 27, 2009
    Kansas City/Topeka KS
    Gain structure meaning not to hot to where it is causing clipping right? I don't ever use distortion.
     
  8. lowfreq33

    lowfreq33

    Jan 27, 2010
    Nashville
    Endorsing Artist: Genz Benz Amplification
    Right.
     
  9. You're looking at an increased noisefloor and decreased headroom. If EQ are used to cancel each other for some reason, there may also be phase shifts, but it's questionable if they could be heard.
     
  10. jbassmaniac

    jbassmaniac REPRESENTING THE LOW END TO NO END! In Memoriam

    Apr 27, 2009
    Kansas City/Topeka KS
    Hhhhmmm?/+#%*&:>~<%?
     
  11. khutch

    khutch Praise Harp

    Aug 20, 2011
    suburban Chicago
    Active basses plug into amps that usually have their own preamps so adding another one to the chain is an incremental rather than a fundamental change. There is no reason it will not work as long as you run it all sensibly. A preamp box at your feet like the preamp in your bass is convenient to adjust. Your main amplifier may be remotely located and inconvenient to adjust. An external preamp may have features that your bass preamp lacks. An external preamp will also work with your passive basses and having a common setup that you know well and can adjust by well honed instinct in an instant for all your basses is a good idea. Yes, there are good reasons to run an active bass through an external preamp.

    As with all things you must use it with care. Every active stage in your chain does add a little noise of its own but that is not normally an issue. If you boost some frequency band to the max in every preamp in the chain then yeah, you will eat up all the headroom and almost certainly be clipping. When I do this I set the preamps I don't plan to adjust on the fly to flat and then use only one to do all the adjustments or else I use one to adjust some frequency bands and another to adjust other frequency bands. As long as you think through what you will do with each preamp you can avoid trouble with having them daisy-chained.

    Ken
     
  12. jbassmaniac

    jbassmaniac REPRESENTING THE LOW END TO NO END! In Memoriam

    Apr 27, 2009
    Kansas City/Topeka KS
    Thanks Ken. I run the onboard pre for my adjustments to pickup tone, I like the added warmth and bass shape of the Aguilar pre that is the outboard I am referring to. It sits on my amp. I usually adjust it sparingly and leave it alone. Same with the amp. Once I have those two pre & amp dialed in for the tone and the venue, they remain set. The tweaking from song to song comes from the bass pre.