I recently became aware of the Musicman SUB bass.. I guess Ernie Ball got tired of Lakland squarely kicking their asses with the Skyline Series. I know a dealer who has about 12 Stingrays that have been rotting on his rack for months since the Skylines came out... He can't move them anymore. I think the Skylines have put a dent in Stingray sales and the SUB is their answer.. well sort of. It still doesn't add up, if you add an active preamp to the SUB it's cost falls in line with a Skyline.. not to mention all of the options available with the Laklands (maple or rswd boards, fretless, colors, figured tops) that the SUB doesn't offer. And to boot MM doesn't even offer a SUB 5. I feel that MM is missing the mark with their basses these days.. First, you have this ugly Bongo bass and now the SUB. Don't forget their really low end OLP models which I would not asociate my name with if I were them. They should just refine their exisitng models.. like offer a 35" scale, some pickup options, etc. instead of launching models that are still one step behind the instrument evolution curve. They need to give the old Stingray girl a makeover. I think Ernie Ball could have executed a much better plan to enter the mid level bass market. There are too many basses that offer better value and sound than the SUB. Even these new Cort models look promising. I don't think "Made In The USA" is enough to make the SUB a success. Bass players are a pretty open minded bunch. Generally, they don't care where a bass is made or who's name is on it as long as it plays good, sounds good and has good dealer / manufacturer support. I really like Music Man (I own 2 Stingray 5's). But, I think that they rested on their laurels a little bit too long and now are trying to play catch-up. I hope they can get on track with their line again.. it is a good brand and Leo's legacy.