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Sadowsky J feel compared to Lakland J

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Big String, Feb 19, 2004.

  1. Big String

    Big String Supporting Member

    Apr 22, 2000
    Northwest Indiana
    I had a few minutes to burn. I currently own a Lakland Joe Osborn and I'm anxiously waiting for my new Sadowsky Vintage PJ. I ordered the Sad with a 9" radius which is more of what I'm used to and more 60's than 70's ala Fender.

    I had the opportunity to play my good buddy Wendell's Tokyo Sad over the weekend. He has the Macus Miller thing goin' on with his bass. It was very nice btw. Right away both of us noticed the Lakland's Jazz neck was generally smaller at least not as thick by the nut area. The Tokyo had a very nice neck but was beefier to both of us. I did speak with Mr. Sadowsky and he pretty much confirmed that the dimensions were very close on the New Yorks and the Tokyos. So I'm expecting the Jazz neck on my new PJ/4 to be closer to my buddy's neck than my Lakland.

    That is not a bad thing at all, I was just wondering if anyone else has these basses or similar necks anyway and found it to be a big difference.

    I'm totally looking forward to my new Sad and can't wait to get it on!!
  2. Jerry J

    Jerry J Supporting Member

    Mar 27, 2000
    P-town, OR
    I realize that the Osborn might have a different profile than the standard fare of Lakland. And the Tokyo Sadowsky might have some slight differences.....but. I have a Sadowsky Vintage 5 and before that had a Lakland 55-93. I just loved the Lakland. It was the nicest bass that I owned, at the time and my second 5 string. That Lakland replaced an RB5 which I found to be very difficult to play with my smaller hands.

    Then I got an opportunity to purchase a Sadowsky, a dream come true. It was considerably spendier than the Lakland and I really questioned at the time, whether it should warrant the higher price tag. It took me several weeks of playing the Sadowsky and not touching to Lakland to realize that I could play things on the Sadowsky that I couldn't on the Lakland. Whether that be from a difference in profile or the fact of the scale difference. I sold the Lakland. There was a significant difference in the clarity and overall tone of the two basses with the obvious winning out.

    I've been a Sadowsky player ever since. It is THE bass and really the only bass that I can say I really need if I were to trim gear down to one bass.

    Everybody is different, right? But I find that Roger's basses work for me. So I can't really give you a "this neck profile is better" comparison but it was pretty clear that the Sadowsky was a much easier bass to play.
  3. Big String

    Big String Supporting Member

    Apr 22, 2000
    Northwest Indiana
    Thanks Jerry
    That is a great answer. I wasn't looking for a "which is better", just if the differences made a big deal for the owners. I'm sure I will love the Sad as much as the Lakie, but I found that going back fourth from a 4 to a 5 string started to wear on me for example. Of course there is a big diff there in size and profile, and they were both Laklands. I grew not to like the 35" scale that makes the Laklands so popular. My tastes and ergonomic demands have changed over the years and I've settled nicely into what I'm playing now.... 4 strings only with Jazz necks. I'm sure the small differences won't be a problem.

    I feel I will have two of the finest bolt-ons on this Planet. :D :hyper:
  4. Eric Moesle

    Eric Moesle Supporting Member

    Sep 21, 2001
    Columbus OH
    I'm also considering a Lakland Osborn 5 and a Sadowsky Vintage 5, and would like as detailed a description of the differences as anyone can provide. I'm sure they're both great, but different strokes for different folks. Just wish I lived in a place where I could stroke them both for myself first. Thanks!
  5. Big String

    Big String Supporting Member

    Apr 22, 2000
    Northwest Indiana
    I just want to specify I'm asking about 4 string basses only. :cool:

    Eric, welcome aboard the string. :)
  6. SethD

    SethD Supporting Member

    I've owned two Laklands with Joe Osborn 4 string necks (one MIA, one a Skyline). The Osborn neck profile is less substantial behind the nut than other jazz necks I've played. It seems to taper quite dramatically towards the nut. I find the JO neck to be fast and comfortable but can't get used to the 10" radius and tiny frets. The former seems out of place on a vintage style bass.

    I've never played a 4 string Sadowsky, so I can't compare the JO and the Sad. I did however trade a 55-02 for a Sadowsky Tokyo 5 string, and I couldn't be happier. The Sad neck does have some beef to it I suppose, but it's incredibly ergonomic. My hands don't fatigue nearly as quickly as they did with my previous 5 strings (the 55-02 and a Stingray 5).

    Congratulations on your new/upcoming bass.
  7. bikeplate

    bikeplate Supporting Member

    Jun 7, 2001
    Upstate NY

    Other than a Pensa 4 I owned for a while, my Lakland had the thinnest neck of any 4 string jazz bass type basses I've owned. It was a real cool bass but I would much rather play a Sadowsky any day. The Sad's overall feel is more comfortable is much less fatiguing. Best of luck

  8. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    I've never owned/Played a Lakland JO bass but my 2 Sadowsky 4's are pretty similar to the Tokyo models I've played.

    I owned a Lakland 55-63 for a while & the bass was very nice!!!!! It sounded good, played great but didn't compare to my Sadowsky 24 fret 5 string.

    <img src="http://www.talkbass.com/photopost/data/501/14993Lakland_55-63_a.jpg">

    <img src="http://www.talkbass.com/photopost/data/501/14993Sadowsky_24F5_Fullb.jpg">
  9. CaptainWally

    CaptainWally Supporting Member

    Oct 21, 2000
    Sandy Eggo, CA

    :) You must be from the Pacific NW.

    I miss that word -- spendy -- no other region in the U.S. seems to use it.

    Sorry - off topic.
  10. RAM


    May 10, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Beautiful basses, Nino!:D

    I visited the Lakland shop when they did work on my Spector and learned that Lakland only has 3 necks: two different 4 string necks and one 5 string. They're happy to incorporate any size fretwire you like, if you order one. The head "setup guy" Carl seems to prefer thinner fretwire and talked me into it for my Spector which he refretted beautifully. But, if you wanted a Lakland with jumbo wire, they have it in their shop, so I'm sure it'd be no biggie...
  11. SethD

    SethD Supporting Member

    Actually, Lakland has at least four 4 string necks:

    Joe Osborn, 1.5" nut
    Bob Glaub, 1.75" nut
    4-series, 1.6" nut
    The Hollowbody has a 1.6" nut as well but slightly different dimensions from the 4-series.
  12. jokerjkny


    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PHL
    sadowsky 4 string necks do tend to be bigger than i'm used to. never got into his Pbass, cause the neck was too big for me. even the jazz is a tad bit for me. but the 5 string necks are fine. about the same as my Roscoe's.
  13. My two Sadowsky 4 string basses --JJ and PJ--have each neck: J and P width, respectively.

    I can't imagine dealing with a neck less beefy than the Sadowsky J neck. No way: I already feel that my hands are wrapping around this neck.

    The Sadowsky P neck is of course wider than the J and feels much fuller: it's not as much of natural feel in my hand as the J but for some reason it's still verrrrrrrrrrrry easy to play.

    Of course this has ZERO to do with the Lakland comparison issue you asked about but I thought I'd chime in and ramble a bit.

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