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Sadowsky Metro H/C mis-print?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by MikeBass, Jun 29, 2004.


  1. MikeBass

    MikeBass Supporting Member

    Nov 4, 2003
    Ferndale MI.
    Artist: Xotic Basses/AccuGroove
    "Everything on the Metro basses in the same as the NYC basses. The only differences are that the Sadowsky NYC models have graphite bars in the neck, chambered bodies for light weight, and many options including figured woods, while the Metro series does not"

    Saw this at Harmony Central.
    Graphite bars?!?!?!
    Sent an e-mail to Roger to take a look at the artical.

    Need to get back here more, been busy as HELL the last few weeks. Hope everone is good.
     
  2. Hmm, I think they mean reinforcement rods, kind of like Fender's. They're supposed to help keep the neck stable from warping.
     
  3. MikeBass

    MikeBass Supporting Member

    Nov 4, 2003
    Ferndale MI.
    Artist: Xotic Basses/AccuGroove
    From Roger today:

    Hi Mike,

    We have been "phasing in" the graphite bars (and thicker headstock) over the last 2-3 years. The transition is now complete.


    Best regards,

    Roger Sadowsky


    So, there it is!!
     
  4. MAJOR METAL

    MAJOR METAL HARVESTER OF SORROW Staff Member Supporting Member

    Sadowsky bass necks are some of the best, their my favorite. :bassist:
     
  5. This is an issue that interests me, because I've owned several guitars and one electric bass that had or developed neck problems. Last year I contacted Lakland to inquire about the use of graphite rods in their USA necks and was told it is there primarily to reduce dead spots. According to the gentleman at Lakland, Skyline necks (flatsawn maple, no grapite) are as stable as USA necks (quartersawn maple, no graphite).

    Shouldn't a good piece of wood that's properly cured, cut, finished, etc. be fairly stable? Is wood such an inherently unpredictable or unstable material that builders need to use graphite reinforcement as insurance against warping?
     
  6. I'm sure they can be stable without the bars, but I think the bars are just there as added reinforcement. You really never know, any wood can be prone to warping under extreme enough conditions, and even the most stable will change over time. They just don't want to take chances I guess, Fender had a horrible reputation for warped necks and it's hard to change people's prejudice about them.
     
  7. PhatBasstard

    PhatBasstard Spector Dissector Supporting Member

    Feb 3, 2002
    Las Vegas, NV.
    Wow,
    I'm stunned as Roger came out, a few years ago, in an article staunchly stating he believed graphite bars made no difference.:meh:
    I think he may have reiterated that point in a thread here at TalkBass only within the last year or two.:confused:
     
  8. embellisher

    embellisher Holy Ghost filled Bass Player Staff Member Supporting Member

    Gotta give the people what they keep asking for. Marketing, IMHO. People keep asking for graphite. 'Fender has it, Lakland has it. Why don't you have it?'
     
  9. PhatBasstard

    PhatBasstard Spector Dissector Supporting Member

    Feb 3, 2002
    Las Vegas, NV.
    Could a graphite reinforced, 35" scale 5 (or 6) be next?
    (Although I don't believe the graphite bars or 35" scale is just marketing)
    Seems my 2 year old posts in the "Sadowsky Mystique" thread may prove valid after all.:smug:
     
  10. While Roger stated that the graphite bars made no difference, he has also stated that the scale length DOES make a difference, and is an important part of the Sadowsky sound. A longer scale length alters the sound that much, that Roger doesn't want to use it for his basses. Personally, I agree completely.
    However, the arrival of the Metro's is a sign of an altered marketing strategy at Sadowsky, wich could mean that other changes in the Sadowsky line may come in the next years.. but I seriously doubt that Roger is thinking about 35" scale length at this moment.

    R.
     
  11. Sadowsky

    Sadowsky Commercial User

    Nov 1, 2000
    Owner: Sadowsky Guitars Ltd.
    It's true! I confess! I have been phasing in graphite bars for 2 years now. It is not a marketing ploy. I have not been public about it. I just wanted to know I was doing everything humanly possible to reduce dead spots on my basses. I decided to thicken the headstock and went with the graphite at the same time. The use of the graphite has nothing to do with neck stability as my nongraphite necks are just as stable.

    But I do not have any plans for a 35" scale bass, a 6 string bass, or hiring a porn star for my next advertising campaign :).

    Roger
     
  12. That settles it.
    I may never buy another Sadowsky.

    I am sooooooooooooo dissapointed about the porn star :bawl:


    ...assuming it was going to be a female.
     
  13. PhatBasstard

    PhatBasstard Spector Dissector Supporting Member

    Feb 3, 2002
    Las Vegas, NV.
    Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock....;)

    Ahh...35" scale or not, I feel vindicated.
    I may sell a child or eBay a major organ to buy one of these basses after all.:eek: ;) ;)
     
  14. There you have it folks from the man himself, thanks Roger! Jim that sounds like as good a reason as any to stop buying Sadowkys....after you already have.....6....LOL!

    :crying:

    T

    :D
     
  15. bassaussie

    bassaussie

    Oct 6, 2001
    Portugal
    There's something about the idea of a Sadowsky bass in the hands of Ron Jeremy that I find very disturbing! ;):D
     
  16. MAJOR METAL

    MAJOR METAL HARVESTER OF SORROW Staff Member Supporting Member

    Roger's Basses are so great the way they are their is no need to make them a 35 inc scale, actually the Low B on his 34 inc scale is much better then most neck through 35 inc scale basses, Just MY Personal Opinion.
     
  17. frederic b. hodshon

    frederic b. hodshon Supporting Member

    May 10, 2000
    Lake Forest, CA
    None.

    (puts away g-string)

    f
     
  18. I have now have 4 Sadowsky: jazz, PJ, strat, and an HSH configured strat. I had another strat which I sold around 1995. The nylon will be the 6th I've ordered but will only(sic) make 5 Sads in my current arsenal. :D
     
  19. bikeplate

    bikeplate Supporting Member

    Jun 7, 2001
    Upstate NY
    Hi!

    Once again, the best basses you can buy(IMO). I've owned or played everything out there(really have!). I gig 150 shows a year. The proof is in the pudding!! Sadowsky rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Rob