Sadowsky observation - has anyone noticed....

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Marlat, Dec 4, 2007.

  1. Marlat


    Sep 17, 2002
    London UK
    ...that at some point, it seems that the "Metro" has become what people refer to when they say a Sadowsky and the NYC has now become the exception qualifier?

    Ie, when the Metros were first released, people talked about Sadowskys and Sadowsky Metros. Now, it seems people talk about Sadowskys and Sadowsky NYCs. Has anyone else noticed this? Its something that caught my eye recently when browsing the classifieds for a used NYC.

    Has this happened with other brands? I haven't noticed it so much with Laklands, in that people still seem to refer to the Skylines as "Skylines".
  2. The_Owl


    Aug 17, 2004
    Lund, Sweden.
    Yeah, I totally agree. Most Sadowskys in the Classifieds are Metros, as an example. And they are plentiful compared to the NYC ones.

    It seems that Metros are now "Sadowsky", and the American-made ones are "Sadowsky NYC".

    I'd prefer them to be labeled as Sadowsky Metro/Sadowksy for Japanese/American models.
  3. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis

    I disagree somewhat, on TB, folks may say Skylines, but in the real world, most Skylines are just called Laklands.

    In the case of both Sadowsky and Lakland, the cheaper instrument has become dominant because the originals are very steep.:help:
  4. GradyBass

    GradyBass Guest

    Oct 15, 2006
    Paris, France

    The kid working at Guitar Center is gonna sell up that Skyline as if it were an american made Lakland to anyone who will listen- even if the salesjerk KNOWS the difference between the two! We on TB tend to nerdify up on our bass knowledge.

    I don't have anything against the Skyline line, but trying to push off a Skyline as an American Lakland is wrong. Same would be if you're trying to push off an Epi for a Gibson.
  5. Marlat


    Sep 17, 2002
    London UK
    I suppose "in the real world" most basses just use the overall band name. I don't recall many people saying to me its a "MIJ Jazz bass" or a "USA P Bass". Most people just tend to say a Fender. I was thinking more from an actual brand / model perspective, the Sadowsky models in common parlence seem to have swapped.
  6. Some people talk about Groove Tools (GT) Conklins, too. I'd say there are a lot of guys who talk about their MIA, MIM, and MIJ Fenders.
  7. YCBass


    Aug 29, 2007
    I'm with Doc Cheese on this one... and the OP also. I do find myself referring to Metros when I say Sadowsky - it's because it's the line I'm even remotely close to affording.

    I could be wrong but I would assume that more people have Metros than NYC's now so that becomes the "norm"... Right???

    Same with Laklands... But I have no facts to base this on, purely a guesstimate.

    But I think this is only for conversation sake, if you were buying/selling something it's important (fair) to note the difference.
  8. I think it's the price point that makes a difference. Since the Metro's are in excess of $2K there really is no low cost "economy" model. There are just the expensive Sadowsky's and the ULTRA expensive (custom shop) Sadowsky NYC's.
  9. Baird6869

    Baird6869 Supporting Member

    Not sure I agree 100% with the Cheeseman.

    I bought a used 1992 Sadowsky NYC for less than the cost of a new Metro. Sure you can have Roger make a crazy custom $5000 NYC bass but many great and minty used ones are available for under $2000.

    BTW... From this point forward I will be referring to my Sadowsky NYC as a MIA Sadowsky.:spit:;)
  10. albass111


    Feb 13, 2006
    Los Angeles, CA
    Speaking from personal experience, I think the NYC is labeled just to distinguish it from the Metro. Any Sadowsky is a fantastic bass, but prior to the Metro's, the NYC shop put out so few basses, that any Sadowsky I saw on the west coast was kind of a big deal. Now, because of the Metro, Sadowsky's are more commonly found, but the NYC's are still rare, because they don't make too many of them. It has been argued and discussed to death on this board about Metro vs. NYC, but in either case, you are getting a handmade bass assembled by some of the best technicians of their craft.

    So yes, I agree with the OP, but I do think that the NYC carries a little more mystique solely based on the amount that are produced and the fact that a majority are custom orders start to finish.

    Also, I don't think the Lakland Skyline comparison is an accurate one. I am assuming, (hugely) that more man hours go into a Metro, than a Skyline. Also, you could probably flip/flop workers between Sadowsky NYC and Sad Tokyo, and yield similar products, but I'd bet you couldn't do the same with Lakland Korea (cort.) Possibly Shoreline though. (remember this is just my speculation)

    For the record, I am not flaming Skylines, I have owned 5 total and still own two and find them to be one of the best values in its price range.....
  11. Stuggi

    Stuggi Guest

    May 7, 2006
    Pietarsaari, Finland
    But the idea most people like about gettin' a NYC Sad is that you can get that crazy custom.
  12. Sadowsky

    Sadowsky Commercial User

    Nov 1, 2000
    New York City
    Owner: Sadowsky Guitars Ltd.
    Missing In Action???
    My Irreplaceable Ax?
    Monster Instrument Actually?

  13. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    As usual, my comments refered to new instruments.
  14. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    I love your sense of humor.:D

    MAJOR METAL The Beagle Father Supporting Member

    I think the NYC in my expirence is what people first refer to. There are alot of players out there who are so focused and peroccupied with playing that they dont know of the other Sadowsky variations.
  16. Sadowsky

    Sadowsky Commercial User

    Nov 1, 2000
    New York City
    Owner: Sadowsky Guitars Ltd.
    I consider it a compliment to the quality of the Metro Line that people may not make any distinction between them and the Sadowsky NYC.

  17. Zooberwerx

    Zooberwerx Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 21, 2002
    Virginia Beach, VA
    I believe there's a blurb on your website stating that if one doesn't require the custom bells, bangs, and whistles, its more cost effective to go with a Metro model. You also state that the current Metro line is essentially identical to the early NYC production.

    I'll take your word on it as I've never laid hands on a Sadowsky NYC.

    Riis (owner of MS5 #M1195)
  18. puff father

    puff father

    Jan 20, 2006
    Endicott, NY
    +1 This is high praise indeed.

    I think it is commendable that Sadowsky introduced a line of instruments that are much more accessible to most people than the NYC made models were. The fact that they are built to virtually the same extremely high standards as the original line is amazing IMO. Add to that the fact that the company stands behind every one of them just like they do the NYC basses and we have a win-win situation. Good for those that can now acquire a Sadowsky bass that couldn't before, and good for the Sadowsky company.

    I don't own a Sadowsky but I think you and Sadowsky basses, rock!

    Kudos to Mr. Sadowsky


  19. but is there any difference in quality between the metro and the NYC?
  20. Sadowsky

    Sadowsky Commercial User

    Nov 1, 2000
    New York City
    Owner: Sadowsky Guitars Ltd.
    I don't think so. The Metros do not have chambered bodies or graphite in the neck, but other than that, they are virtually identical to comparable NYC models.