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sadowsky's stink.

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Starrchild, Jul 10, 2002.


  1. Starrchild

    Starrchild

    Nov 10, 2000
    The Bay.
    hahahah:D got ya,could anyone please comment on
    the difference's between a sadowsky vintage 5,
    and a atelier z 5.
    i have the atelier z bass that was profiled in bass player back in 99.solid contruction,very playable
    and it does the vintage fender thing like a vintage
    fender....i'm just a sucker for jazz basses.

    nino brown//jr.joker//brad johnson///talk to me.
     
  2. Christopher

    Christopher

    Apr 28, 2000
    New York, NY
    They're pretty close. Atelier does block inlays, binding and thru-body stringing for the low B, as well as maple fingerboards and ash bodies (oof). They usually come with a Bartolini TB preamp and Atelier's own single coil pickups. Very clean construction.

    Sadowsky Vintage Fives come with dot inlays and no binding, and usually a rosewood fingerboard and an alder body. The new ones have the nifty spoke-wheel truss rod adjuster. Preamp and pickups are of course Sadowsky's own. Tuners are (I think) Ultralites, rather than the standard plate design. Unlike Ateliers, Sadowskys have a traditional pickguard, unless you request a clear one.

    Since I'm a sucker for the '70s Jazz look, I'd have to go with the Atelier Z. It's pimped out, yo. Given the construction, it probably sounds a good deal brighter than the usual alder-body Sadowsky Vintage 5.
     
  3. rickbass

    rickbass Supporting Member

    I'd like to get the lowdown on those Japanese Sadowskys, a.k.a. "Sadowsky Tokyo."
     
  4. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    The Altilier Z basses I tried, I compared to my Sadowsky 24 fret 5 string bass & contrary to to what Christopher said, the Sadowsky was alot brighter & punchy. The AZ just lacked something. All in all that AZ was a good bass & sounded good when I played it & tweaked the amp & bass, but comparing it to my sasdowsky, there was no contest.
     
  5. SCT1422

    SCT1422 Supporting Member

    I've played the Atelier Z-5's and I even own a Moon Jazz 5... They're both really nice instruments and I love the blocks and binding... But I still would go with Sadowsky hands down... I own a PJ-5 and a Vintage 5... Great basses... Steven...
     
  6. pd_5string

    pd_5string Admin: Accnt Disabled

    Jan 23, 2002
    NY
    What kind of exotic tops can you get on a Sadowsky? I saw Jeff's bass, but besides maple, what else can you get? Is this listed anywhere on the website or in a price list somewhere? Where do those tops get bookmatched and put together with the bodies? Just curious.

    -pd


     
  7. Fuzzbass

    Fuzzbass P5 with overdrive Supporting Member

    Considering the fact that Sadowsky basses give many of us terrible GAS, I would argue that they cause a big stink.... :D
     
  8. Obviously, the tops are hand-selected, bookmatched, assembled and hand-finished either by or under Roger's care. Where that happens is not is not really important, is it?

    I have found Roger to be very receptive to custom ideas, as long as it doesn't change the character of the instrument. I for one am glad he has such a narrow definition of what a "Sadowsky" must be - it shows in the quality and consistency of the instrument.

    If someone wants 7 layers of wood (and glue) in the body or neck, they have lots of other choices.

    Jeff
     
  9. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    Boom Bass Cabinets, DR strings
    Bear in mind this has pretty much nothing to do with this thread. He's asking for a simple comparison between a Sadowsky and an Atelier Z.

    Starchild, I've played both. The attention to detail on the Atelier Z is right up there with the big boys. They make almost everything that goes on their bass, even the tuners and BadAss style bridge. They do have bound fretboards and if you like that sort of thing (I do) it's a nice touch. Playability is excellent. They also make a very nice 6 string Jazz (best I've seen).

    Sadowskys are Sadowsky. No need to rehash that;)

    Cost no object, I'd pick the Sadowsky. Why? Sound. It just sounded better to me, fuller and more aggressive. I recently considered trading my Brubaker Custom (before I got my head out of my butt) for a very nice Atelier Z that belonged to a friend of mine. He was nice enough to leave his bass with me for an extended a/b test. I mainly compared it to my Brubaker and my Fender Jazz Deluxe FMT.

    By itself the Atelier seems like a very nice bass, where it paled for me was in direct comparison to more aggressive, "bigger" sounding instruments. It's still a very nice bass but it's no FMT or Brubaker;)

    I kept the Brubaker.
     
  10. PollyBass

    PollyBass ******

    Jun 25, 2001
    Shreveport, LA
    "sadowsky's stink." Darn, i was gonna say . AMEN.
     
  11. * sniff sniff *

    holy **** dewd :eek: !

    you're right.. they do sting.. :(


























    :p
     
  12. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    PD,

    doesnt someone on the forum own a Spalted maple top Sadowsky? i remember asking Roger about this, and he said, depending on how the shop is running, he'll stretch to carve out a nice top from the wood of your choosing. but lately with the new shop move, he's been hesitant in backing up his already 8 month wait for a new bass or guitar. bummer, i know... :(
     
  13. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    Tough call on the two, but all the points here are valid.

    i'd go with Sadowsky, only cause i live so close to shop and wouldnt hesitate for a moment to take to Frank or Roger for a quick fixer upper if need be. customer support is a big thing with me, especially for something that costs as much as these do.

    but for the money, Atelier Z is prolly one of the best "reasonable cost" jazz basses for the workmanship, and especially the home grown components like the very nice pickups, and big sounding preamp. i'm still trying to see if Jimmy at Bass Boutique can procure me a pickup/preamp set from Japan. the treble and bass posts seem to be perfectly tuned to the frequencies that best fit my playing. :cool:

    the only thing that sorta one up's the Atelier Z are Elrick's Jazz Standard, but they're a little on the unorthodox looking side. still a great bass for very reasonable money.

    sure you could do a cheaper parts jobby for even less than the AZ, but nothing beats a well tuned, oiled machine straight from someone with vision and heart.
     
  14. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    Actually, when I see Jeff's spalt, I tend to get excited. I only notice that Roger uses highly figured Maple tops & highly figured birdseyed boards. :)

    <img src="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=585816">
    I know he had 2 other spalt tops in the works for customers & maybe a 3rd.

    I'm not sure where he has his "rough carve" of the bodies and necks but I do know that all of his necks and bodies are made from his original hand
    made prototypes and programmed on CNC equipment for consistency.
     
  15. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    Boom Bass Cabinets, DR strings
    Might as well ask the same question...

    What kind of exotic tops can you get on an Atelier Z?
     
  16. Why? You're not trying to prove something.
     
  17. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    Huh?:confused:
     
  18. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    Boom Bass Cabinets, DR strings
    True;)
     
  19. My Sadowsky PJ4 has a sick spalted maple top. It's under construction. It'll be my fifth Sadowsky.

    BTW, pau ferro = morado = Bolivian rosewood

    Tops? You want something besides flamed maple, quilted maple, spalted, maple, figured ash, unusual opaque finish, then ask Roger. I'm sure he'd work with you.

    I was going to ask for a burled maple or buckeye burl but decided to ask for spalt. I think quilted looks best but I have two quilted Sadowsky instruments already.
     
  20. Jerry J

    Jerry J Supporting Member

    Mar 27, 2000
    P-town, OR
    I was waxing my plain old sunburst ash Vintage 5 this morning and thinking what a beautiful piece of wood. And it is just a plain old piece of ash!:eek: It just fits my personality.

    But I do get the shakes when I see Jeff's bass. I really don't think that I've ever seen a more beautiful bass.;)