on a whim my buddy and I decided to go see Winger play in vancouver at a small nightclub. i always enjoy seeing bigger acts play at smaller veneues. i have seen some recent concert clips of them on You Tube etc. and they are quite good. not only that, Kip Winger is a decent bassist. i was so excited to see this show.... major disappointment.... it was painfully loud and one of the worst mixes i have ever heard. couldn`t make out anything; just a constant drone of mud. even reb beach, who is pretty dam good, had an awful guitar sound -even when he played his solo spot he was indistinguishable sonically. if the band was good, nobody knew. nobody could hear it. i guess ears aren`t an important criteria for soundmen anymore.