Schroeder cabinet weights Mini, 1210, etc...

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Mcrelly, Dec 3, 2005.

  1. Mcrelly


    Jun 16, 2003
    Minnesota, USA
    Hi, I recently, right now, am trying out a schroeder 1210 from Lex P. and weighed the cab only to be suprised that the cab weighs 58 Lbs, 11 Lbs more than specified.

    alot of my consideration of schroeder cabs was the prospect of getting the "mini" or "mini+" for 28 Lbs (specified) rather than carrying a heavier cab like my aguilar gs112 (43 Lbs)

    My question goes to owners or people who have access to a scroeder cab. Please post the weights that you measure on your cab. particularly interested in the MINI or MINI+, but you can post other models if you think the descrepency is significant.


    EDIT: P.S. you can PM me with your "mini" weights and I won't tell no one about as not to rock the boat. ;)
  2. basss

    basss Supporting Member

    Aug 27, 2001
    My 1212 weighs 58 lbs.
    I was a bit annoyed when I found this out. I really wish cabinet makers would post the actual weight. Same thing happened with a couple EA cabs I had.

    That being said it is very easy to move for it's weight. I don't think there is anything out there that is more portable that sounds as big as the schro
  3. JSCHRO7376

    JSCHRO7376 Commercial User

    Feb 23, 2004
    Los Angeles County, CA
    Owner, Schroeder Cabinets
    to all who are concerned with this issue, and I know it can be a little intricate, the weight of the wood amp and cabinet manufacturers are using can flucutate between 5lbs. to 15lbs. per panel, that is unfortunate but a fact. I am in the middle of resolving this issue by experimenting with alternative/lighter material, but it is not easy to achieve a certain sound with different components. Therefore accuracy in weight is almost impossible, sorry. Taken under consideration that a 1210 or a 1212 can do the job of an ~ 100lbs.+ common 4x10 I believe that a certain weight inconsistency is not that bad.
  4. Chef

    Chef In Memoriam

    May 23, 2004
    Columbia MO
    Staff Reviewer; Bass Gear Magazine
    Jorg, thanks for that post. It makes sense. I've noticed weight diffs in plywood sheets before, never really thought about applying that to speaker cab design.
    I looove my 1210, it's a giant killer:)
    Please dont' do anything to change the killer tone of your cabs while you experiment with different materials....

    Happy Schroeder user-chef
  5. Mcrelly


    Jun 16, 2003
    Minnesota, USA
    Jorg, I'm hope you didn't take my post to be disrespecting you or your cabinets. I'm not, I do like the cab.

    It makes sense that wood weights can fluctuate because of density of wood and moisture content.

    After playing the cab with the band at church I can see why people LOVE the tone and how it fits in with a band's sound. the way that you build the cabinet is VERY sturdy and worthy of the warranty you offer.

    I was only wondering what variances other people have experienced.
  6. el_Kabong

    el_Kabong Guest

    Jul 11, 2005
    I don't agree with this attitude at all. I'm not picking on Jorg (I suspect variations of this attitude are common) but this thread is about schroeder cabs soooo...

    If plywood does routinely vary in weight by up to 15 lbs then why publish the lowest possible weight when most cabs will weigh more? If that's not the case then I guess there's some 40lb (ish) 1212's out there? The only answer I can come up with is that the weight statistic is important and does impact sales. Otherwise why sacrifice one's integrity for no gain?

    The specified weight of a 1212 is 48 lbs, if you take out the weight of the drivers, xover, grill etc a weight variation of 11lbs is going to be in the order of 30%+. I find that difficult to believe for a manufactured wood product (ie not natural timber) from a given supplier. Why is the discrepency always in the manufacturer's interest and not the customers? At least it appears that way.

    If the weight of the timber is that variable why not give at least a middle figure (even with a +/- range if accuracy is desired?). Then at least there would be as many pleasantly suprised customers as disappointed ones. It's funny how the 'timber varies in weight' idea is used when this issue is discussed, but no one ever posts that they have a cab lighter than the manufacturer's claim.

    Even accepting that some cabs do come in at the minimum weight, publishing that figure knowing most cabs weigh more is misleading. Doing it when you know that to be the case is deceitful.

    Again the only reason I can see for this is that this spec does influence sales. There have been numerous post here on TB by people with injuries and various medical conditions for whom weight is a primary consideration. These people are not getting what they paid for.

    I also don't understand how giving the weight of alternative cabs makes Jorg's spec more accurate. For what it's worth my 1212 also weighs 58lbs, the same as Mcrelly's. On the same scales my 410UL weighs 57lbs, exactly as specified on the manufacturer's site. They're both great cabs, the best I've used, but that's not the issue.
  7. Larry Kaye

    Larry Kaye Retailer: Schroeder Cabinets

    Mar 23, 2000
    Cleveland, OH
    Post a range 48-58 pounds with an asterisk (*) footnote saying that depending on the specific "batch" or "shipment" of wood.

    Every one of Roger Sadowsky's basses is listed with an individual weight, and I'm absolutely positive that some people will decide on which bass to purchase "based on" the one that's "no more than" or "less than" xxxx pounds and ounces, otherwise, why publish the info?

    The Schroeder cabinets are being marketed as a one cabinet solution. I recently sold my two lightweight other brand cabinets with a total weight of around 65 pounds for two that did not sound to me as good as or loud as my 1210 Schroeder, even though my cabinet weighs between 48-55 pounds, I never weighed it officially and probably won't, I'm a minimum of 10 pounds ahead and could be up to 17 or 18 pounds lighter per trip.

    My limit for cabinets is 55 pounds. My limit for basses is under 10 pounds. Some people have limits and some don't care...publish the real weights for those who do...some may get turned off, If they can't balance the other advantages or the rest of the marketing message doesn't play to their ears, that's ok. It happens.

  8. Rock City

    Rock City

    Apr 8, 2001
    I'm with el Kabong on this one. I've worked with various plywoods for years and never experienced these kind of variations(30%) from sheet to sheet of similar material.
    I went around the shop today after reading this thread, and weighed various cabs in the shop. I then checked the specs on the websites or in the manuals, and found them all to be within 1/2 pound of their spec. I didn't have a Schroeder to weigh, so I can't comment on that one. I did weigh Boogie, SWR, Bergantino, Hartke, Yorkville, and Genz Benz.
  9. JSCHRO7376

    JSCHRO7376 Commercial User

    Feb 23, 2004
    Los Angeles County, CA
    Owner, Schroeder Cabinets
    Quite opposite, I appreciate everyone's post and input; that's what makes me work harder to improve the quality.
  10. Fretless5verfan


    Jan 17, 2002
    I've never been struck by lighting...doesn't mean it doesn't happen. :p
  11. uglybassplayer


    Aug 24, 2001
    New Jersey
    Brian & Corey, none of this is personal and I would ask that you both keep it that way :cool:

    I'm an owner of a 1210 and can't be more pleased with the tone and construction of the cabinet, as well as the service I've received from Jorg. That being said, my 1210 weighs in about 56lbs and while that certainly wouldn't have deterred me from placing my order, it does seem Jorg's weight estimates posted on the website are indeed on the "light" side, and that he should consider revising the posted weights... If for no other reason than to put any future threads like this to bed ;)


    - Ugly.
  12. Akami

    Akami Four on the floor

    Mar 6, 2005
    This to me appears to be the perfect way to put this matter to bed.

    If it was listed this way then you'd never hear anyone talk about weight issues other than how favorably they compare with other cabinets and it's something that could be fixed on the website inside 5 minutes.

    I'm a huge Schroeder fan and at present see no other cabs in my future, but I would really love to see him be able to quiet any criticism in a manner that would perfectly represent how everyone feels about him already.

    We all love you Jorg!
  13. Chef

    Chef In Memoriam

    May 23, 2004
    Columbia MO
    Staff Reviewer; Bass Gear Magazine
    FWIW, my 1210 weighed in at 52lbs, which is close enough to 48 that I don't care;)
    It outperforms every other cab I've used.....

    except my Schroeder 410 :cool:
  14. jerry

    jerry Too old for a hiptrip Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 13, 1999
    I'm one of the ones that PMed Mike, and it was only because I had not seen this thread and he asked me. I've put my Schroeder 1210 & 1212 weights up on another's no big deal! If I remember correctly the 1212=58, 1210= 55 & Mini 12's=35lb's.
    I spent a month in the hospital this past summer for Osteomyelitis of my spine, I had bought the 1212 & 1210 last year because I was starting to feel back pain, and didn't want to do the 90 pound cab thing anymore. When I got out of the hospital I picked up the Mini 12's, the difference between 28 pounds and 35 is just so negligible to me...the same as 48 to 55. I mentioned in the other thread that the cabinets balanced so well, that the weight was never a factor. :cool:
  15. DLM


    May 25, 2004
    I'm also with el_kabong on this one. Both my 1210 and 1212 cabs weigh 58 lbs. Although I do like these cabs, I'm most likely going to "downsize" to some other cabs in the "under 40 lb." range. That's a savings of 20 lbs. per cab and as I'm getting older, I've got to consider the future of my back.

    I believe the weights on the website should be changed to reflect a more accurate "average" as the current weights are misleading.
  16. I want to throw in my 2.5 cents on this issue if y'all don't mind.

    I purchased my Schroeder because of the reviews on its sound and compactness, and because of Jorg's reputation for awesome customer service.

    The weight of the cabs was not an issue for me and thus did not form any basis for my purchasing decision. As such, it would be easy for me to say, "Come on guys, what's a few pounds for such great cabs? I could say "You're whining about something that is hardly that important" because it wasn't important to me. I could say (and with all confidence BTW) that we all know Jorg is a totally stand-up guy and that certainly there is no intent on his part to deceive. Perhaps he weighed one or two early models and hasn't checked since. This sort of thing happens with manufacturing as availability of materials changes and certain parameters migrate accordingly.

    However, I want to also say that I do understand the feelings of those who did purchase Schroeders based on the spec'd weight and are now disappointed with that (albeit some more so than others). I had an analagous experience recently with another highly thought of (and deservedly so) reputable manufacturer concerning an old specification of parts that had since changed but had not been updated in the published spec.

    It involved the tubes that were supposedly used (as called out prominently in the published spec) in the Aguilar DB659 preamp I purchased and the ones actually used. While I was happy with my purchase from the perspective that it worked and sounded great, it still was disappointing to me to discover this because I did the research and based my purchasing decision to a not so insignificant degree on the fact that the tubes spec'd were military grade US NOS tubes.

    It was suggested that I was being irrational for strongly voicing my disappointment as I came to discover this, implying that I was making much ado about nothing. I guess I should have just been happy I liked the product and that this was insigificant in the grand scheme of things. Perhaps people take this position out of a sense of loyalty to the manufacturer, or perhaps it's simply their failure to appreciate an issue they themselves do not or would not find important in making their own purchasing decisions.

    In any event, I have no doubt that in both cases, it was simply a migration in the spec caused by the realities of manufacturing. I am absolutely certain in both cases that the failure to update them was by no means with intenbt to deceive. However, I also truly believe that it is a manufacturer's responsibility to keep their spec's as accurate as possible, particularly those that may influence purchasning decisions. This can be accomplished by a simple periodic review of the spec. with a few units pulled off the line (so to speak).

    I think the world of Jorg personally and of his products, and while I do not care about the weight of my Schroeder nor will it concern me in making my future Schroeder purchases, I still agree with those who feel Jorg should do the research and update his spec (and I believe he will based on the input from this thread).

    As for my preamp experience, all I can say is that while I concede that perhaps the differences in the sound produced by the tubes spec'd and those actually used in my Aggie preamp may be subtle, and may be insignificant to others, I can completely relate to the feelings being expressed by others here.

    I should also note that Dave B. of Aguilar intends to (if he has not already done so) update the published spec. for the DB659. Moreover, he has gratiously sent me some GE tubes to replace the Sovteks that came with the preamp, thus only further reinforcing the reasons why I will not hesitate to continue purchasing and using Aguilar products in the future.

    I guess, the bottom line is no matter how much we love the products of our favorite manufacturer's and those individuals responsible for their existence, I don't think anyone should shy away from expressing disappointment or dissatisfaction when on a rare occasion, something seems awry. If for no other reason, these manufacturer's care about their customers, their products, and their reputations, which means they will take that critcism to heart and make themselves even better as a result.
  17. el_Kabong

    el_Kabong Guest

    Jul 11, 2005
    Me too and it is good. :)
    Well perhaps but it's not what he said in his post. So far with a self selecting sample of four 1212s, we apparantly have (hey this is the net, pass the salt!) all weighing in at 58lbs, 22% overweight, with zero variance. I agree with your sentiment BB that (to paraphrase) it's the manufacturer's responsibilty to do the right thing and the customer's to let them know when they come up short.
  18. Chef

    Chef In Memoriam

    May 23, 2004
    Columbia MO
    Staff Reviewer; Bass Gear Magazine
    Jorg is working on Schroeder Light cabs with neo drivers. The weight drop is significant. They should be in production
    ~February from what he's told me.
    I don't want to get into the whole published weight arguement-as I noted, mine are close enough to publshed weights I don't care. The used market for Schroeders seems to be strong enough that if you really want to sell your current Schroeder Regular and get a Schroeder Light that should be easy to do.
  19. Fretless5verfan


    Jan 17, 2002
    I'm sure most of you have noticed, but just to make sure, Jorg (being the man) has taken the advice mentioned here and posted a range of weights for each cab. That is seriously awesome. Good on ya Jorg!

    P.S. Jive will be ordering a 1212 for me soon ;)
  20. Akami

    Akami Four on the floor

    Mar 6, 2005
    Did he tell you much as far as how the sound would compare between the standard and neo cabs?