Schroeder Cabs – I’m VERY Confused….What IS This?

That's interesting. I do not know what that is either. But I am surprised that there are no baffles or internal bracing in there.

 

That looks like what my dad calls fiberboard. Not sure if that is the "real" term or not.

not as dense as MDF, but similar in appearance and texture when cut/chipped.

It is not baltic birch.

very interesting. Not what I expected to see inside a Schro either... for some reason i expected shelf braces.

 

Man, I just about split a gut laughing about the way these cabs are inside. what crap!! Thats the same crap, people, that behringer cabs are made of!!!!!!! lousy looking wiring also. damn glad i can't afford one. makes one hell of a good reason to keep buying avatar!!!

 

thanks for doing this thread!! This is an eye opener for me!! if you live in a humid climate, you could watch these fall apart right in front of your eyes!! I'd damn near bet, that he is having these made in China, and importing them for assembly!!

 

I would like to clear something up. I just returned from my facility and responded to Mike via email a.s.a.p. and asked him to contact me with any questions he might have.

First, the cabinets I loaned Mike are my personal cabinets and are completely made out of MDF, which is a very dense material and should not be compared with low cost particle board, etc.
Some known high end manufacturers have been using MDF for years and since I am always looking to improve weight, sound, etc. we also built some cabinets completely out of that material for experiments ONLY.

 

I'm sure Jorg is going to appreciate you posting those pictures

I have wanted to peek inside a Schroeder cabinet...I was expecting something quite different than this.

Edit: And having read Jorg's post above mine, I suspect that I would have found it too...

 

I just took the rear access off my 1212L and it looks to be made of MDF.

 

It looks like MDF to me (which, by the way, comes in different densities and hence, different weights) It certainly isn't Baltic Birch.

Are they light though?

 

Mike, personally I think if the thread is going to go down this road, the remainder of your discussion ought to take place via email or phone.

jsut my 2 cents





edit- in reference to
"I am on the road right now "literally" but my Treo has internet access so I can look stuff up. I can't get email for some reason though.

My question is why did you tell me they were made from Russian Birch then? I love ya man but I feel a little misled.

Also, for the amount of money these cost (within $50 - $100) of similar Berg's, Accugrooves and Epifani's I would expect high grade wood like the lightweight Italian Poplar that Epifani uses.

Again, feeling a bit misled. And, why let me try the inferior product???"

 

Don't be pulling the plug on this, to save this guys butt. He is ripping us ALL off here. Lets call a spade a spade.

 

Three days ago from Brian at the Low End. He had it in stock.

I imagine Jorg is regretting letting you borrower cabinets right about now...

Let me ask a question, since you have decided to vet this on a public forum. Why is MDF inferior sonically? What properties does baltic ply have that, if these cabinets were made of it, would make them superior? I don't pertend to be an expert on cabinet construction, I just know what sounds good to me. I would like to understand the issue better.

 

I'll be peeking inside my 410 on Sunday. We'll see what's inside. I just looked at Jorg's site and didn't find any reference to what the cabs are constructed out of.

 

I have worked with this material. As you can see in the pics, it flakes off in chunks. It is nothing more than pressed paper fibers, with some sort of glue binding it together, pressed in a hydraulic press into a board form. If you look at the panels, you see that they are routed out leaving rounded corners to conserve the strength somewhat. If you saw it, with say a handsaw, it will break apart in chunks. And if it gets wet, you have nothing. I worked with a Behringer cab, made out of this same stuff, and tried to open up a speaker hole a little larger for an Eninence driver. Almost wrecked the cabinet with a jig saw, just opening up the hole a quarter inch. Absolutely the worst cabinet material I have ever seen.They are all 'pin' nailed and glued construction, because a standard wood screw will not work in this material, they will not hold, they will just pull out. Tee nuts are a must for all drivers and any handles.