Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by Fishbrain, Jun 30, 2003.

  1. Fishbrain


    Dec 8, 2000
    England, Liverpool
    Endorsing Artist: Warwick Bass and Amp
    does anybody here scream in a band? as opposed to singing, i'm talkin about bands like slipknot, mudvayne, linkin park etc.

    I was just wondering how to train your voice to do somethin like that, any ideas?
  2. odie

    odie Supporting Member

    music related
  3. FretNoMore

    FretNoMore * Cooking with GAS *

    Jan 25, 2002
    The frozen north
    Are you sure? :p
  4. baba

    baba Supporting Member

    Jan 22, 2002
    3rd stone from the sun
    Repeatedly slam your fingers in a car door.
  5. Bob Clayton

    Bob Clayton Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Aug 14, 2001
    Deptford, NJ
    or you could just listen to a bunch of korn cds and turn the bass all the way up...or listen to simple plan or a band like that for 5 hours straight
  6. Killdar


    Dec 16, 2002
    Portland Maine
    you mean treble.....high high treble.

    or buy 2 tweeters and duct tape them to your ear, and plug fieldy into them. you'll go deaf, so you'll HAVE to scream, or you won't hear yourself.
  7. Selta


    Feb 6, 2002
    Pacific Northwet
    Total fanboi of: Fractal Audio, AudiKinesis Cabs, Dingwall basses
    Umm...there's training involved?
  8. Saetia


    Mar 27, 2003
    Alright, Mudvayne and Slipknot arnt really screaming type bands, more growling, the key is use alot of Diaphram, you know felx your stomach, and forcefully expell like every ounce of air out of your lungs. Like the I have too poop squeeze(not tying to be vulgar) you really just have to keep doing it over and over again to get it down, you teach yourself by practicing. Thats about all I can say, eventually you will be able to scream like Corey or Kudd, its not my type of music, but yeah, that's how I went about it in learning how to scream hardcore style. And you can lower/ saturate it more by using more of a vocal chord scream/ growl less stomach flex and more just forcing air past your vocal chord, your voice will hurt for awhile for the first couple times you do it, but after awhile you will get used to it and so will your vocal chords and it won't hurt nor effect your singing voice.

    Hope I helped
  9. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    Who would've thought someone would have to teach themself how to scream?

    Who would have thought someone would want to teach themself how to scream?

    I guess what they say is true: Those that can, do and those that can't, scream.

    Good luck.
  10. xcental34x


    Feb 28, 2003
    Memphrica, TN
    Those bands you listed, as stated before don't necessarily scream, as much as grunt and growl. Slipknot, KoRn, Mudvayne, and all associated bands just keep an agressive tone. If you want to hear some bands that actually do scream, check out GlassJAw, American Nightmare, Shai Hulud, etc. Finch has some great screaming when they use it. It just takes practice. Make sure it sounds good though. Record yourself, and listen to it. Practice is really the only way. Scream while listening to songs.

  11. Start yelling the lyrics like your really mad, then add pitch and diaphram to taste. Practice.

    At least that's what worked for me.
  12. Saetia


    Mar 27, 2003
    Or check out Saetia, afterschool knife fight, Poison the well, love lost but not forgotten, Dillenger escape plan, any of the assorted screamo catagorey, thouse bands will show you what screaming is.

    EDIT: also check out some stuff by Thursday they are emo with a dash of core, but some of the back up singing is some of the most beautiful passionate screaming ever, check out Cross Out The Eyes, and Autobiography of a Nation, both have very good backing screaming.
  13. Im a sock

    Im a sock

    Dec 23, 2002
    Central MA
    Dillinger Escape Plan is awesome.
  14. HAHAHA

    you're my hero:D

  15. I usually like singers who can scream, AND have a great singing voice. Maynard from Tool, great example. And actually now that I think of it, the only example:p :rolleyes:
  16. Bob Clayton

    Bob Clayton Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Aug 14, 2001
    Deptford, NJ
    what about that guy from a perfect circle?;)
  17. jobu3

    jobu3 Artist formerly known as Big Joe

    Feb 17, 2002
    Mountain Top, PA
    there is no way to do it with out damaging your voice... at the least you'll develop vocal nodules which at worst can eventually lead to vocal fold paralysis if untreated and no altenative avenues to "screaming" are found. eventually all these bands's singers undergo surgery to repair what they have done and/or have to eventually give it up. brian johnson of ac/dc gets surgery every five years or so, and his stuff isn't as bad as half of the metal screamers you'll hear. trust me... this is my profession, i'm a speech pathologist. ;) but then again i guess you're not metal enough if you can speak with a clear voice off-stage... :eek:
  18. Brendan


    Jun 18, 2000
    Austin, TX
    Well, the thing is, screaming has it's own technique all of it's own. It's not an easy thing to go out and roar like George Fisher every night. A regular, untrained guy would go up, sound like crap (subjectively speaking) and then probably lose his voice after 15 minutes, let alone doing a 2 hour set.

    Saetia and I will have to disagree on technique however. I find the best way to build up vocal endurance is not to force the air, that leaves you sounding compressed, and with a limited range of tones available.

    I find the sound is in the jaw/mouth, and using varying sizes/aperatures of the tongue and lips to tint the vocals. For instance, I push up the back of my tongue and keep my mout relatively small for growls, wit my lips fairly tight; while I open my mouth and drop my tongue as far it will go for the flat out scream. Flexing your muscles for control only ever seems to create the illusion of control in my experience, and leaves you winded after squeezing all the air out, which means you can't keep a constant stream of vocals going: I.e. you have to stop for an inhale, and this can damper the tempo and flow of the vocals.
    I also like to growl on the inhale, and scream on the exhale, but that's my experience.

    It does take time to build up an ability to do it for prolonged periods, and metal vocalists are some of the most anal people about their vocals. Practice, practice, practice, and eventually, you'll get a solid, consistent voice (inconsistency plauges new screamers), and you'll be able to do it reliably night in and night out.

    It's not as "easy" as it seems, and it's a definite choice to take that route. I'd like to see Whitney Houston (amazing voice) do a night of metal work. She couldn't. But, aside from vocal crappiness, I'd be willing to bet a metal vocalist could do a whole night of actual singing, and be none the worse for the wear. IMHO, anyway.

    And, Big Joe has a point. Now, after the initial explosion of metal in the 80s, we're seeing the long term effects of screaming like a murder victim for years on end. In that respect, metal is a young man's game. You might end up having completely paralyzed vocal cords, or you might just end up husky sounding off stage. It's a risk. I do metal vocals, and I don't intend to be doing it for the rest of my life, for that reason.

    Treat it right, and it'll be minimal. Take care of it off stage, and you should come away fairly unscathed. Fairly.

    And that's my metal vocal bit. Get regular check ups at a doctor if your doing it for long periods. (Years, I mean, not a few weeks or backround vocals twice a night), and good luck
  19. Petebass


    Dec 22, 2002
    QLD Australia
    I can't tell you how many times I've seen screamers drinking honey straight from the bottle before a show, in the the breaks, after the show...... We jokingly refer to it as the "baby bottle" because that's what it looks like......

    And guys, don't be surprised that it needs to be taught. I must be hard to do because it's blardy hard to listen to.........
  20. Brendan


    Jun 18, 2000
    Austin, TX
    Honey... earplugs for the vox box.