Sealed 15 comparison: Bergantino NV115, JGR 15-8 Vintage-HiFi, and JGR 15-8 Rock!!!!

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by JGR, Jul 14, 2013.

  1. JGR

    JGR The "G" is for Gustav Commercial User

    Jun 29, 2006
    President, CEO, CFO, CIO, Chief Engineer, Technician, Janitor - Reiner Amplification
    Fuzzbass just came up this afternoon with his new Bergantino NV115 :hyper: which I've been looking forward to trying out since they were announced. I just finished tweaking the crossover on my new 15-8 Vintage-HiFi cab, so it was great timing to give them all a whirl.


    From left to right, JGR 15-8 Vintage-HiFi, Bergantino NV115, JGR 15-8 Rock (cab o' destruction).

    When I plugged into the Berg NV115, I immediately felt at home, and it sounded as I had hoped/expected based on what other folks have reported. Basically a beefier, more balanced sounding NV215 - if the NV 215 had sounded like this, I would have kept it. The new woofer seems to be more robust, the mid is more even sounding across its range, and the woofer and mid levels are more balanced with eachother. If I didn't have my own cabs, I'd be shelling out for a pair of these, and I think the 2X stack would even surpass my beloved NV412. Well done Jim. ;)

    Overall, all three cabs are more similar than different. My new "Vintage HiFi" 15-8 has strong lows, is more mid forward, and overall clearer sounding than the other two cabs, but it still has that punchy sealed vintage vibe. My 15/8 Rock cab has higher sensitivity and is a bit louder than the other two cabs; it has more overall midrange complexity, and has a similar woofer/midrange balance as the NV115, but with a bit more low end extension, less upper treble, and a bit more balance through the upper mids and low treble (say 1-4 kHz range).

    They all put out a healthy volume - we were slamming pretty loud with the Sadowsky P5 in the low end department, and the Berg was hitting the limits in the low end, the 15-8 rock was still chugging, and the 15-8 HiFi was just hitting us back.

    We shot a couple of videos - one with Ken playing his active Sadowsky P5 with some bass boost through my 6SL7 into a bridged QSC PLX 3602, and a second with the same amp setup using one of my passive USA Schecter Model T 4-bangers. We kept all the levels/settings the same for both videos.

    Here's the proof:

    Active Sadowsky P5

    Passive USA Schecter P-J

    Edit: and thanks again to Ken (Fuzzbass) for doing the playing in the clips - it's nice to be able to just listen for a change, not to mention he is a much, much better bassist!
  2. Excellent. Thanx. Will listen to the clips , soon as I get home. :thumbup:
  3. Fuzzbass

    Fuzzbass P5 with overdrive Gold Supporting Member

    As I mentioned in the other thread, my Sadowsky is tuned a half-step flat, and the B string is kinda deadish (in terms of upper harmonics) from being gigged. Anyway...

    For aggressive roundwound rock tone (such as in the vid) I prefer JGR's 15/8 cabs to the NV115. The Berg has more air at the very top, but less of the chimey harmonic vibe. But I use the Berg for a more vintage, less aggressive tone, and I think it works better for the Motown/Stax vibe. I think that's true even for rounds, but I'm looking into flats or halfs for my Motown band.

    As Jonathan said the cabs are all similar, and all are definitely winners in my book: that is, they have all the goodness of fifteens without the mid scoop/excess woof that comes with the typical (i.e. poorly designed) versions.
  4. JOE EDO


    Aug 28, 2007
    Central New York
    Your 15-8 Trumps. I really liked the sound of what I thought to be meaty lows with a nice sparkle on top. The punch/mid-band sounded more like you were hiding some
    10's in there too. Well done gents!
  5. Forrrest


    Mar 10, 2013
    oh no. something better then the NV412 - my wallet!
  6. Hey Jonathan,

    Thanks for the write up. How would you compare these cabs tonally to the 15/6 and F215 that you have also tried? I know its a bit apples (sealed) to oranges (ported), but inquiring minds need to know!
  7. RockDoc


    Jan 5, 2007
    So, JGR, while you're on comparisons, someone's gotta ask -- how do all these stack up against the Bag End S15-D cabs?
  8. +1 Nice job! All sounded good. Kind of dug the more 'old school' one on the right!
  9. JGR

    JGR The "G" is for Gustav Commercial User

    Jun 29, 2006
    President, CEO, CFO, CIO, Chief Engineer, Technician, Janitor - Reiner Amplification
    Different vibe than the 15/6, but more similar to the F215 in terms of the more tight/punchy low end and balance between the woofer and mid driver if that makes any sense. My new 15/8 is the most "HiFi" of the three so it' proabably the closest.
  10. Fuzzbass

    Fuzzbass P5 with overdrive Gold Supporting Member

    Through headphones the cabs remain similar (and my opinion remains the same), but I can hear the differences much better. Part of it might be that the camera mic was in front of the cabs whereas my ears were somewhat off-axis, but I suspect a bigger factor is that I was wearing earplugs. JGR doesn't do gentle testing: down in his man cave, volume is gig-level at minimum!
  11. That is the only way to do clips, IMO. Really lets you hear what is going on IMO and IME. Of course, if you are using a camera as a recorder, you are losing quite a bit of fidelity versus using a Zoom unit, or whatever.
  12. JGR

    JGR The "G" is for Gustav Commercial User

    Jun 29, 2006
    President, CEO, CFO, CIO, Chief Engineer, Technician, Janitor - Reiner Amplification
    We were using my Zoom Q3 HD which does a pretty admirable job. The room treatment helps keep reflections and bass buildup tamed very well, even at high volumes. My biggest challenge is not overloading the camera mic, even with gain set to low, so that should give some indication of the volume level - we're generally at or above what most folks probably gig at. :)

    I think the recording technology with these cameras as well as YouTube sound quality has come a long way in the past couple of years, and playback through good headphones does a pretty good job at capturing the nuances. As Fuzzbass said, sometimes the subtleties are more noticeable during playback if the camera is placed more optimally than our listening position - I noticed the same thing doing the 12ax7/6SL7 comparision. And of course the player and instrument plays a big part, but in the end, I think the videos give a pretty good idea of what things sound like regardless, for better or worse, minus the physical aspect of being in the room. All the folks I've hung with seem to dig the gear even more in person rather than being disappointed, so while not perfect, I think the demo videos are a useful tool, and hopefully manufacturers will start putting more stuff out there. I think it is more likely to work in their favor.
  13. I thought those clips sounded too good for a camera! I also use the Zoom HD for my clips. GREAT recorder, and through decent phones, sounds darn close to what it sounds like in the room IMO.

    As you know, I'm a big fan of clips, especially if you have a Zoom or similar recorder that will give you a pretty full spectrum of the frequency range, with very little distortion, etc.

    Nice job, nice cabs!
  14. acacac80


    May 20, 2013
    Hey JGR, Sorry to chime in so late...
    Just found this clip and really dig the sound of your 15-8 Vintage-HiFi.
    Just wondering which speakers and crossover you went with for this one?
    Many thanks, Abel
  15. huckleberry1


    Jul 1, 2013
    Mesquite, Texas
    :Dpicked up a Berg CN212 yesterday for my Ampeg SVT VR! WOO HOO!