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Second cab for walkabout and ampeg

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Matyi00, Mar 12, 2016.


  1. Matyi00

    Matyi00

    Mar 12, 2016
    Hi everyone

    I need help with a specific question. im using a mesa walkabout head with an ampeg pf210 cab. im thinking about buying a second cabinet for this set up and i would like to ad a 1x12 cab. this time would like to go a bit higher in price, a glockenklang or aguilar sl 112.
    Btw im playing a fender precisison road worn and as a band we playing a kind of alternative rock music.

    My question is: is there a big diference in qualitty between the ampeg and the sl112 (or the eqvivalent glockenklang)?

    Will this added cab improve my setup?

    Thank you for any help. ☺
     
  2. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    The problem with non-matching cabs is that some combinations sound decent, and some combinations sound dreadful, and there's no way to predict it. The speakers can often act against each other in a negative way. This especially gets compounded with different brands. Now it may turn out that they sound great together, but there's only one way to fine out...spend the money and do a couple gigs or jam sessions. Therefore, it's usually recommended to stick to the same cab, as their behavior is predictable and will always sound good together.
     
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  3. Matyi00

    Matyi00

    Mar 12, 2016
    Thank You Jimmy.
    So I guess i have totr y. if i take my set up to the shop and try it there, would it be obvious as a mismatch? Or it is more subtle?

    Also, does anyone here at tallbass use any kind of ampeg pf cab with an aguilar? If yes, do you like it?
     
  4. Alexander

    Alexander

    Aug 13, 2001
    Seattle, WA
    Just curious what you're trying to accomplish with the second cab. Different tone, deeper sound, volume? The more context you provide, the better folks can help
     
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  5. Matyi00

    Matyi00

    Mar 12, 2016
    Well. few reasons.
    I always wanted to try a high-end cab with my walkabout. last year finally got a proper bass (precision road worn) and i got money to invest in my gear. i got a good head, good bass, just purchased an ebs multi-comp. I like them all. dont have any problem with the ampeg cab, just want to improve on it. first i wanted a 1x15, but if i buy that, I have to choose between them which one to take giging. unles we play in a big venue its too much. and also too much to carry. so i figured out if I buy a good 1x12 I can use it by itsef in the smaller venues and i can try to mix it with the 2x10. Expect it to need less space and in the case of the aguilar sl1x12 less weight. so might just convince my band to fit both in the car ☺. sound wise I like to ad more deep to my sound. just to have slightly more bottom. the 1x12 might help me to achive this.
    Plus Iread so much praise on the aguilar and the glockeklang cabinets, would like to try them.
     
  6. Alexander

    Alexander

    Aug 13, 2001
    Seattle, WA
    Well, you will get a bigger, deeper sound running more cabs. Quality-wise, the Aggie or Glock might edge out the Ampeg, but not by much in my opinion. Ampeg cabs have always been solid for me. Mixing cabs? Who knows what the result would be - Jimmy's right. You'd have to try them out and see what happens. No way I'd gig that Walkabout with anything less than 212s or a 410 - even then I'd have to be ok with a little dirt in my sound...
     
  7. Matyi00

    Matyi00

    Mar 12, 2016
    Another option i have is to buy a mesa 2x12 powerhouse.
    Might be a bit more expensive, but should sound killer. ☺
     
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  8. Omega Monkey

    Omega Monkey

    Mar 8, 2015
    Adding a single 12 (especially a relatively expensive one) to a 2x10 is quite possibly the most pointless thing ever. You're not going to really gain anything in tone or volume, just weight and space and cost.

    I think maybe replacing the 2x10 with a 2x12 might be more what you're looking for. Or even just replacing it with a higher end 2x10, because you dont seem to have any issues with volume, you just want something "better".
     
  9. Alexander

    Alexander

    Aug 13, 2001
    Seattle, WA
    That would sound killer. I tried a PH410 with my WA and thought it was one of the better pairings. Warm, full and dark - good for modern rock applications I thought. Some might not like that dark character but I kinda did. I imagine the cab balances out some of the M series brightness. Cool tone
     
  10. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Some bad combinations can present themselves right away, some bad combinations require working with a band in a few different venues to get why they're bad, as phasing problems aren't always easy to notice right away, and some combinations phase more than others.
     
  11. Matyi00

    Matyi00

    Mar 12, 2016
    Thank You All for Your help.
    If i got enough money, will try to buy the 2x12 powerhouse.
     
  12. ThisBass

    ThisBass

    Aug 29, 2012
    Germany
    Every cab (even the matching driver ones) should be judged with a band in different venues.
    Besides different voicings of different cabs there is the important low response that can be very different. For example a -3dB point of 55Hz does not mean that two different cabs provide identical low response characteristic. Depending on system damping a response "feel" can be very tight or more loosen. Different impedance curves of different cabs can lead to different results (different response and tightness) with tube amps.

    Alltogether there are a couple of parameters which impact the overall performance of a cab. The question if a cab works for you should be figured out by testing the cab among different conditions such as different venues.

    An overdone highish tuning of a cab may provide a fat imposing low response but also a muddy articulation at some point (like there was phase issues).
     
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2016
  13. Gearhead17

    Gearhead17 Supporting Member

    May 4, 2006
    Mount Prospect, IL
    To hear potential phasing issues between two different cabs, start moving one tone knob at a time. If you have to max out the knob to get a difference in sound, there MIGHT be an issue with the pairing. When I combined an Eden 212 and Eden 410 XLT the difficulty with those two was the high end (1khz to 4khz). If I boosted this range, I heard no difference until the knob was maxed out. It was a cool tone for sure, but it was ONLY one tone to work with. The moment I sold the 212 and grabbed another 410XLT - my tone knobs actually worked. I got more volume, more low end and a variety of clean tones without much effort.
     
  14. Matyi00

    Matyi00

    Mar 12, 2016
    At the end I bought a Mesa subway 1x12. Will add an another cab later if I save up some money.

     
  15. Matyi00

    Matyi00

    Mar 12, 2016
    Hi Guys

    I got my mesa subway yesterday and could try it straight at our practice. It sounded very nice. I think it will be a good combination.
    But to stay more on the topic.
    Today i tried to use it with the ampeg. It didnt work very well. For some reason the ampeg is much quieter. When I decide to buy the subway, I already knew that i want to get the subway 1x15 as well to match it. So its not a problem for me. And the volume of the 1x12 is sufficient as far as i know. I haven used the walkabout on more then nine and a half.
    Today when i tried to match the cabinets I realized that they have such a different tone. Might be just me, but the mesa sounded much more clear, had more depth and was more powerful. The ampeg sounded more muddy. They were very different sounding. On the other hand it was much easier to play on the ampeg, while on the mesa you could hear everything.

    One more time thanks for everyone for the contribution on the topic. And hopefully this tread might help someone in the future.
    Also, because there are very few videos about the mesa subway on the net, I might try to do one as well.

    Cheers
     
  16. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Glad we could help you do exactly what wasn't recommended :D
     
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  17. Matyi00

    Matyi00

    Mar 12, 2016
    :)
     
  18. Gearhead17

    Gearhead17 Supporting Member

    May 4, 2006
    Mount Prospect, IL
    Perfect example of mismatching cabs and what can happen when you do it. I hope others read your post and realize it's not just a bunch of garbage that Talkbass spews out.
     
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