Second thoughts on the Audere preamp in my Jazz.

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by JoshuaTSP, Jul 20, 2009.

  1. JoshuaTSP


    Sep 26, 2008
    I installed a Audere preamp in my MIA Jazz V recently.

    Thought it was great, for a while.....

    Realized that while being fairly transparent, it sounds nothing like the passive bass. Most notably for recording.

    Sadly, I'll be re-installing the passive jack plate, adding the Audere preamp to my collection of "parts".
  2. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    What was it that made you want the Audere in the first place--more EQ control, less tone loss over long cable runs, or what?

    If you didn't need the EQ controls, do some reading on the Creation Audio Redeemer. If you needed the EQ, then you may be hosed, because IMO even the most "transparent" active onboard EQ's out there have their own flavor that is not quite like the passive bass.

    I guess check out Villex passive systems though.
  3. JoshuaTSP


    Sep 26, 2008
    Not sure it was really even a "need".

    Just experimenting.

    The jazz electronics were kind of weak naturally, and I had installed a series/parallel switch to try to squeeze a little more "power" out of the thing. When really, I was just looking for a tighter lower B string all along. Electronics aren't going to help that.

    I also picked up a USA Millennium to experiment with a tighter low B.....while I LOVE the just doesn't feel like the Jazz. Which feels like home.
    Also, I'm using overdrive and fuzz......and nothing sounds more natural then a passive bass. Active basses just sound...honky?

    So basically, I came round full circle.
  4. yamark


    Jun 6, 2009
    Lancaster, KY
    it took some time for the audere to grow on mine for a used 2006 mim fretless that had rusted out electronics.
  5. JoshuaTSP


    Sep 26, 2008
    What didn't you like about it at first, and what do you like about it now?

    It's a quality preamp that's for sure. It does sound good.

    Clean, it sounds great.....maybe a little more on the treble side, then stock....but good.

    With dirt it just sounds slightly processed. :confused:
  6. I'm with you, but OH boy, you just poked a stick into a hornets nest, I think.
  7. JoshuaTSP


    Sep 26, 2008
    I re-set up my Jazz last night, since I installed a set of 0.130s.....but didn't get a chance to plug it in.

    Plugged in this morning after I way the preamp sounds like it does stock. It sounds good, and doesn't really sound all that "active". None the less......does not sound like stock.

    At least that's what my ears hear.
  8. SGD Lutherie

    SGD Lutherie Inactive Commercial User

    Aug 21, 2008
    Bloomfield, NJ
    Owner, SGD Music Products
    Have you tried the mid and lo Z modes? Those would more simulate the passive tone.

    When your bass is passive you are having some high end rolled off. That's all that's going on. When you buffer the pickups, you are hearing the true unloaded tone of the pickups. So you hear more high end and upper mids.

    Usually rolling back the highs a little makes it sound passive, and in the case of the Audere, selecting a lower Z load will do the same thing as a passive setup. That's presenting the pickups with a lower impedance, just as your passive controls would.

    Same thing with getting a good dirty tone.. you need to reduce the highs.
  9. SGD Lutherie

    SGD Lutherie Inactive Commercial User

    Aug 21, 2008
    Bloomfield, NJ
    Owner, SGD Music Products
  10. JoshuaTSP


    Sep 26, 2008
    I have tried the low Z, but I think I should adjust the internal trim pots a little more.
    As is, I'm getting a mega bass boost.....almost overloads my pedals and amp. Something probably isn't right.
    Maybe I just don't have them tweaked properly? That would be excellent, since I don't want to ditch the preamp and enjoy it's functionality.

    EDIT: I just noticed that Audere ships the preamp preset for Fender jazz basses? Shouldn't be too far off then, eh?

    Otherwise, I've been using the mid Z mostly. I agree. There is a bump in the upper mids, and highs. Which I think makes it sound a little more "modern" or less passive.
    I've dialed back the highs in efforts to try to get back that passive tone, but the feel just isn't there. Backing off the mids a bit helps too, but just isn't the same.

    Thanks for the info! :hyper:
  11. JoshuaTSP


    Sep 26, 2008
    Well, got home and tweaked a bunch of stuff....the internal trim pots.

    I don't know. It still doesn't sound passive to me.
    Like I said before, I think it sounds the least active out of my active basses. So clear and transparent.

    I guess I'm just a hopeless stock/passive jazz fan.
  12. SGD Lutherie

    SGD Lutherie Inactive Commercial User

    Aug 21, 2008
    Bloomfield, NJ
    Owner, SGD Music Products
    Because it's not passive.
  13. JoshuaTSP


    Sep 26, 2008
    Crazy isn't it! :D

    I just pulled the preamp, and dropped in the stock plate.

    The passive thing is just more my style. :)

    I've also realized that I don't really enjoy high fidelity toned basses.
    I like organic and warm.