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Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by bassman2004, Jun 22, 2001.

  1. bassman2004


    Jun 22, 2001
    Has anyone ever used those self-teaching books? Cause I'm just getting started and was thinking of trying it. I've been playing paino and just picked up the bass so I understand all about music. some guy told me that I would learn much faster if i got lessions. What should I do?
  2. jazzbo


    Aug 25, 2000
    San Francisco, CA
    Knowing that, it would frighten you to know how little I know about music. Truly scary.

    And just to let you know, it's true about Rufus. He has some trouble picking up some of the more advanced concepts, but I'm really patient with him, and I just let him know that, hey, not everybody can pick things up as well as I can. But, ya got to give it to the little guy, he's got heart. :D :)
  3. I learned three times as much in two lessons than I did for years studying on my own...get a great bass teacher if you want to get on the fast track to playing to your potential, IMO.
  4. bumpcity


    May 12, 2001
    I agree with the others, I have been playing for 15 years and I feel like I would be eons better if I had stuck with lessons. I had a few when I was 12-13, and the guy kept trying to teach me theory, and all I wanted to learn was flashy bass licks to impress people. I am kicking myself now for not sticking to it. If you are serious about music, take the lessons, and do some homework on finding a good teacher. If you get a bad one or one who doesn't motivate you, odds are you will end up giving up on the lessons like I did.
  5. Angus

    Angus Supporting Member

    Apr 16, 2000
    Palo Alto, CA
    Slaphappy, do you mean "have" instead of "did", or did you stop taking them?
  6. Did.

    I stopped in late Feb this year for a few reasons; I had developed major tendonitus in my left hand, which put a complete halt to my playing any music for a couple of months. Also, financially I couldn't swing lessons anymore at this time....I hope to go back to Randy in the next year or two and pick up again for another six months or so. Also, before the tendonitus, I was considering taking a break from lessons for awhile to develop what I've learned and focus on recording and playing more on my other instruments...it just came a bit sooner than expected.

    I started playing again in late April/early May, and can still only play sporadically, but I can do more every day. It will take me some time to get back to where I was. My wrist problem? It's hard to pin exactly what brought that on, but if I had to guess, I would say it had to do with switching to a five string, and playing that bass almost exclusively for three months. That wide neck did me in, I think...I can get around on my fours pretty well, but I can't play fives, now..the discomfort comes quickly if I try. So I wound up selling my beloved RB5 about a month or so ago.

    Are you still taking lessons, Angus?
  7. Angus

    Angus Supporting Member

    Apr 16, 2000
    Palo Alto, CA
    Oh, that's cool. Yeah, I'm still going, though I've had to cancel a lot of lessons lately because of school, which is over now. And then of course I might miss my lesson THIS week (after missing the last two-three) because we're moving and have to be out of the house thursday (lesson day). Yikes.

    Other than the fact I think he'll kill me next time I see him, it's still going good! Actually, my drummer's dad, I found out recently, used to play a lot of gigs with him (he's a guitar player), so that's kind of weird!

    Sucks about the tendonitis, but I know how it is...my hand still isn't all healed. Certainly movements of my hand just make my entire right side of my left hand just shut down, which isn't good. I'm sure you'll be fine if you take a little break for now and when you play, just use the Geddy! I won't be able to hold any wide-necked wood-necked bass probably for a couple of years, still. You should probably see a doctor, if you haven't, because it could always be a lot worse than you think, or could be solved by simply a slight change in how you play/maneuver your hands at work. Anyhow, good luck, and sorry to hear that!
  8. This one guy I used to go to (I wouldn't call him a teacher) would ONLY teach me bass licks, I actually wanted to learn theory,but he didn't teach me any. Acually, I havn't learned much theory since then, as some of you know...
  9. Thanks, Angus :) I saw three doctors, including a wrist/arm specialist, and tendonitus or cartilage damage was their assessment...just needs time they said. And if you do something and it hurts, STOP! ;) Yup, that's why they make the big money...

    As far as theory goes, Angus is aware that his/our teacher focuses on theory. He doesn't just teach bass, he teaches MUSIC. This has helped me to understand music, and the basses' role in it, much better. In fact, it's because of Randy teaching me theory in a way that's easy to understand that has led me to writing and recording my own compositions. I never did that while playing on my own...I only played along with CDs and played notes out of books.

    Theory is the best reason I can think of to get a good teacher...that, and they correct your technique constantly to keep you playing at your best.
  10. bassman2004


    Jun 22, 2001
    Maybe not all about music...
  11. cassanova


    Sep 4, 2000
    I have a few books that i like. but if you understand music the way i think you do then you wouldnt have any problem learning the bass, all youd really need to do for now, is just learn the fretboard,,,,an A is an A on any instrament, all youd need to do is know where the notes are on the fretboard and youd be able to figure out the rest lickity split....a good book is The Bass Guitar Scale Manual...this should get you started in the right direction.
  12. Elle


    Feb 25, 2001
    I bought myself a bass guitar about a year ago and have been teaching myself ever since. I think that there is some element of satisfaction if you actually teach yourself; you've acheived something great. But I do think that having lessons is handy because you can then be shown the techniques that you want to do properly. Saying that, I still haven't got round to have any lessons. lol.
  13. ...I'd take lessons. But why not play in the meantime? Oh, yeah, I did take a couple of lessons thanks to the video that came included in my Ibanez Jumpstart pacakage (first bass... now sold). But after that, it was all watching bass players! Observing carefully. OBSERVING. As a matter of fact EVEN BEFORE STARTING BASS, WATCHING HELPED ME. WHEN I BOUGHT THAT FIRST (IBANEZ) BASS THE GUY AT THE STORE THOUGHT I PLAYED BASS! I DIDN'T! BUT I LOOKED THE PART BECAUSE...WELL I WATCHED LOTS OF LEVEL 42, RUSH, ETC., ETC. ...

    Besides, let's not forget: MANY bassists you see on bands NEVER took lessons!!

    AND: if you go jazz music or complex then LESSONS ARE A MUST! BUT if you go new wave, rock, grunge, punk...YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE FRIGGIN' MOZART!

    PD: For self-taughts NUMBERS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. Then again that's like elemental music theory (octaves, fifths...). BE CREATIVE BUT THINK NUMBERS. IT HAS HELPED ME BIG TIME.
  14. lump


    Jan 17, 2000
    St. Neots, UK
    Think numbers? What on earth does that mean?
  15. wynnguitars


    Jun 20, 2001
    My music career started in the back seat of my parents car listening to all the greats on the radio.this was long before I even thought of picking up a guitar.Sometimes listening is just as important as playing.
  16. Example: This video I talked about showed basic scale examples. The major scale (or at least this version), strating on whatever note in the scale (C, D, frikkin' X), can be played 2, 4, next string 1, 2, 4, next string 1, 3, 4. The numbers here represent a finger. The four fingers spread over four frets for access. So if you start on E fret 5... 5, 7, 4, 5, 7, 4, 6, 7. Now...I think there are quite a few numbers there. I guess that's what I meant...
  17. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    Well, I think that one of the best ways to progress is to get away from thinking numbers or patterns and think music and think scales and chords..or maybe even melodies. It's very easy to get "locked in" to patterns and to repeat yourself endlessly - the way to break out is to stop thinking numbers and to play melodies or lines that you wouldn't otherwise and think about them as music - then you can use them in your playing.

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