Short Scale Simandl

Discussion in 'Technique [BG]' started by ErikP.Bass, Jun 6, 2019.

  1. ErikP.Bass

    ErikP.Bass Supporting Member

    Nov 23, 2004
    Wondering how many short scale converts have stuck to using Simandl fingerings when they made the switch. It seems a little awkward to me in places but comfortable in others. Please share your experiences.
     
  2. Just wondering if there's any reason to use those fingerings for a short scale bass? My current bass is 33 inches, but I played a 35 inch for a long time, but never saw a need to use any other fingering except the usual.
     
  3. SteveCS

    SteveCS

    Nov 19, 2014
    Hampshire, UK
    I don't play short-scale basses, but with long-scale I do use some elements of the Simandl method, but I also use all 4 left-hand fingers from time to time. Reading the method book will tell you that the main aim is to provide a way to manage the physical challenges of a full-size double bass - distance between notes, power/strength to press, hold and release the strings, execute clean, noiseless shifts, etc. Most of these challenges simply don't exist with electric bass, and even fewer on the short-scale (<=30") version. So I see no reason to learn or stick with Simandl for these instruments, if you have no intention of going back to long-scale or DB.
    YMMV
     
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  4. ErikP.Bass

    ErikP.Bass Supporting Member

    Nov 23, 2004
    I have definitely found Simandl helpful on a 34 inch bass but it’s more awkward to me on a short scale. My post was somewhat tongue in cheek as both topics tend to be somewhat polarizing around here....but also because I’ve found myself fumbling a bit with the transition. I’ve never played a 33 inch bass, is it a custom?
     
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  5. Ahh not exactly. It's something Ibanez came up with a few years ago. Mainly, it's a knockoff of the Matt Garrison Fodera, strung E to C. I like it though. It's insanely easy to play.

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  6. ErikP.Bass

    ErikP.Bass Supporting Member

    Nov 23, 2004
    That is one gorgeous bass Spin Doctor! When I explored 5ers I found that I connected more with a high C than a low B, and I’ve always wanted to check out a ramp. My lessons with Ant have me looking at Foderas all googly eyed like never before. I have to constantly remind myself how much of a players tone comes from their hands, not the bass...LOL.
     
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  7. You're telling me it comes from the hands. Benjamin Shepherd (the jazz guy, not the Soundgarden guy) who is a beast of a player did an ad for the bass, and I can't make it sound like him to save my life...
     
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  8. ErikP.Bass

    ErikP.Bass Supporting Member

    Nov 23, 2004
    Thanks for your reply. No, upright for me...at least yet. I do dig using Simandl on electric, and have it somewhat ingrained, so I find myself attempting to use it on short scale....but run out of room. I did start on guitar so when I picked up bass I used OFPF exclusively but have since shifted to a hybrid approach.
     
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  9. Mushroo

    Mushroo Guest

    Apr 2, 2007
    Simandl, schmimendel! The legendary Stanley Clarke demonstrating proper left-hand technique on his short-scale Alembic:
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  10. Stanley Clarke's hand positions when he plays would give most of you guys the vapors...
     
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