Should I ditch my eden 4x10 for epifani or bergantino?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by arbitrary, Nov 25, 2005.

  1. arbitrary

    arbitrary Supporting Member

    Oct 24, 2005
    Boston, MA
    Right now I'm using my svt 4 pro head with an 8 ohm eden 4x10 xlt.
    I would really like a 4 ohm cab for the extra watts and what nots.
    But I've also noticed the eden cab breaking up a little (minescule) on the lows and just almost sounding blurry/boxy with this midrangey thing going on.
    Lately I've been thinking about the epifani 4x10 or the bergantino ht322. I'm a big fan of the epifani weighing under 60 lbs. But I'm curious if either of the epifani or berg cabs would be suitable for a heavy modern rockish distorted/o.d bass thing with a hint of superfunk and various jazz statistics being played extremely loud (ignore everything after bass thing and before loud).
  2. murphy

    murphy Supporting Member

    May 5, 2004
    Before anything else, I would check your speaker surrounds for any signs of creasing and maybe get them re coned...
    At that time you could get them switched to 4ohm ratings....
    Or add a 2 10 or a 12 to increase your amp volume
    Reconing with eden kits will tighten up the sound again
  3. Dan Knowlton

    Dan Knowlton Sometimes you're the dog, sometimes the tree Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2000
    Palm Coast, FL
    My personal preference is the Berg. My only experience gigging with Edens was with a 2- 210xlt set and it sounded good, just not in the same class in terms of clarity and tone as the Berg. FWIW, I switched from an Epifani 2x12 to a Berg NV610 and I am in hog heaven. Far too much speaker for what I do, but I love the tone. That being said, I'll change to something else someday - probably a neodyninum rig. I'm not getting any younger!

    As far a pumping out the volume, the Berg can do it and you will have better tone - unless the stage is unreasonably loud. If you have to play with really loud stage volume there is something wrong - more than comfortable volume should be handled by a PA (IMHO~)

    Dan K.
  4. notrt


    Jun 29, 2004
    You should (or maybe shouldn't, 'cause you'll be gassin' big time if you do... :rolleyes: ) A/B a couple of bergie cabinets with your Eden. My 410xlts are either sold or long since gathering dust in my "music room"...the Eden cab is simply not in the same sonic world as the HT-322 Bergie...which is about the same size and weight...

    If you're playing ERB's, I believe it's a no brainer. Shoot, if you check out the "mini stack" of Ht/Exs 112's, I believe that you'll be very suprised also...

  5. check out the schroeder 410..happen to have one 4 sale..great for rock & blues & seems to be more efficient than the berg 322 which i've also had. :ninja:
  6. FunkyLemz


    Oct 17, 2005
    Los Angeles, CA
    I actually bought a Whappo Jr. of of Boogie bass who prefers the Epifani UL over the whappo. I assume that since that is the case the epifani is one heck of a cab. He also kept a HT322 so you really cant go wrong. I would go with the epifani and if you dont like it you can always make a switch. Im sure you wont have an problems, bring your comparison wouls be with the eden. It certainly will be much louder.
    My 2 cents :meh:
  7. FunkyLemz


    Oct 17, 2005
    Los Angeles, CA
    I 2nd tha schroeder :)
  8. vision

    vision It's all about the groove!

    Feb 25, 2005
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Endorsing Artist: MTD Basses, La Bella Strings, and 64 Audio IEMs
    i'm also interested in this comparison...i know that both are GREAT cabs, but what would the difference in tone be between the Epifani 410UL and the Bergantino 322?
  9. As much as I love my Epi410UL, for the head your are using and the sound you are describing, one of the Berg cabs without a tweeter (I think they are called the NV line) sounds like it would do the trick. Those cabs are made to rock with an Ampeg head. The Epi410UL is IMO much more subtle, somewhat 'hi fi' and articulate.... great for slap, fusion, funk, jazz.... maybe not the best for any sort of overdriven rock deal.

    The Schroeder410 would also be awesome IMO, from my experience with his smaller cabs.
  10. arbitrary

    arbitrary Supporting Member

    Oct 24, 2005
    Boston, MA
    I was looking at the bergie 6x10 (NV610) and its response doesn't get as low as either the epifani 4x10 or the bergie ht322. The nv610 is 48hz to 5 khz while the ht322 is 36 hz to 18khz. The epifani goes from 40 hz to 16 khz.
    What I don't like about the nv610 is that it doesn't get as low as either of the other 2 cabs, but I figure that my treble knob on my aggie ob3 @ 6.5 khz won't be too happy. The 6x10 is very sexy and not much bigger than my eden xlt. But the epi is so much lighter.
    I'm not exactly sure since I mostlyturn my tweeter completely way off on my eden cab.
    I don't seem too hip on the schroeder...only because when I look at the 4x10 I'm under the assumption that two of the speakers are slanted somehwhere (am I wrong).
  11. My Bergie 610 has tons of low end, despite the conservative statistic. In fact, I have been looking at getting a separate cab to get more highs!
  12. msquared


    Sep 19, 2004
    Kansas City
    My NV610 handles the B on my SR5 with no problem. I only play fives and I wouldn't have bought it if it couldn't hang. The 48Hz spec doesn't mean "can't handle the B", it means "the B isn't naturally muddy". Don't let frequency response specs try to tell you what the cabinet sounds like. It's just one of many parameters that make up the sound of the cab.

    Lugging a 6x10 around isn't a picnic but the sound is fantastic. I too will probably move to something else someday, but it absolutely will not be because the cabinet isn't cutting it for me sonically.
  13. IMO (as others have stated on a number of threads), those roll off stats are relatively useless for use in comparing cabs. Remember, the roll-off of your Eden410XLT is very high (I think around 50 hz), and I've never heard people say they lack a good, punchy low end. Also, I assumed you turned the tweeter off... the Berg NV cabs are designed for that sound. The Epi is very articulate in the upper mids and treble.... just doesn't seem like the best fit for what you are looking for. Hopefully you can try some of these cabs out.

    The Schroeder 410 with the standard tweeter gets rave reviews here and, from my experience with my 1210, would be in the same sound family as the Eden410XLT, with more volume, a smoother mid and treble response. Weight would be about the same, although the cab would be smaller due to the side mounting of two of the 10's.

    PS....I find that extremely hi treble center frequency on the OB-3 to be more useful in rolling of the hi treble without impacting the upper mids versus boosting treble. I would guess for your sound, you use that control mainly in 'cut'. If that's the case, whether a cab has a tweeter or not is kind of a moot point in your decision making process IMO.
  14. arbitrary

    arbitrary Supporting Member

    Oct 24, 2005
    Boston, MA
    Very good point about the treble roll offs and cut. I'm going to play through the epi sometime next week and the bergie around the same time. I'll let you know how it turns out. Just when the 58 lbs was tickling my fancy. Sounds like it might come down between the two bergie cabs. That low freq. cutoff makes me kinda worried though.
  15. Please post when you make your purchase. All the cabs you are looking at are great. Again, I think the 410UL is the greatest cab ever, but I go for a very different sound than you do. However, with the tweeter rolled back, it just may do the trick for you.
  16. arbitrary

    arbitrary Supporting Member

    Oct 24, 2005
    Boston, MA
    Now I'm kinda curious how the 30hz on my bart onboard pre will hold up with the bergie 6x10 compared towards the epifani 4x10? Assuming the bergie works fine, it gets me curious how it'll work when I hit the guv'nor or the bass xxl. You think the epifini lows will be too punchy for this?
  17. 12bass


    Jan 2, 2003
    Victoria, Canada
    Something to keep in mind is that a sealed cabinet like the NV610 will not roll off on the extreme lows nearly as quickly as a ported cabinet.
  18. arbitrary

    arbitrary Supporting Member

    Oct 24, 2005
    Boston, MA
    I'm sorry but I don't exactly follow what you said..?
  19. emjazz

    emjazz Supporting Member

    Feb 23, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    If you get the chance to try them be sure to fire up the Bergantino NV215 and the NV425. One of those may really fit the bill. You'll be very surprised when you play through them.
  20. Dan Knowlton

    Dan Knowlton Sometimes you're the dog, sometimes the tree Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2000
    Palm Coast, FL
    I play 5'ers (Ken Lawrence Brase, MTD, Sadowsky, Lakland) - TRUST ME, THE NV610 HAS NO PROBLEM IN THE LOW END!

    Dan K.