Should I pull the trigger?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Rev J, Oct 25, 2017.

  1. Rev J

    Rev J

    Jun 14, 2012
    Berkeley, Ca.
    My local guitar shop has either an SWR Redhead or Super Redhead combo (I don't remember which off the top of my head) for $399. It is missing the casters and the Front case panel. I'd like to try it with my own bass (Fender Steve Bailey Jazz Bass VI) to see how they sound together. They will do a layaway for 25% down payment and finishing in 3 months. The next time I will be able to try it is Friday. It sounds like I am talking myself into it but would like other opinions.

    Rev J
  2. buldog5151bass

    buldog5151bass Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.

    Oct 22, 2003
    Depends on your needs. Sounds like your budget is pretty stretched. Bring your bass and try it.
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  3. Korladis

    Korladis Inactive

    No. Those disappear in a band mix, in my experience.
  4. Rev J

    Rev J

    Jun 14, 2012
    Berkeley, Ca.
    Right now I'm in the process of getting my stuff together and putting together a little home/demo studio and possibly getting a couple of gigs going. At first it might be an expensive direct box. I am working 6 days on one day off for a little bit which is giving me about an extra $150 a week. I know this can't and won't go on forever so I want to upgrade my stuff while I can.

    Rev J
  5. BurnOut

    BurnOut It's The Billy Baloney Show In Memoriam

    Feb 1, 2015
    The Natti
    For that kind of money I think you could do better. Probably get a nice used 410 for around 100 and put the rest towards a head. Instead of a combo.
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  6. If you you don't even remember the model, are you really that interested?
    You are telling us things that are wrong with it but not describing anything about it that you like.
    You are making a decision without having even tried it with your bass?
    (Most of us aren't that lucky to have the item available locally to try out.)
    And you have to ask the opinion of others if you should pull the trigger?

    You say you are "talking yourself into it."
    It sounds to me like you are trying to get us to talk you out of it.
    That is neither fair to you or fair to us.
    I think you need to do more homework to figure out what you really want/need.

    It would be different if you were trying to choose between Amp A and Amp B and you told us what you like and dislike about each of them, and what kind if music you play and with what other instruments and what venues and then ask if we think one would be more suited to your needs than the other. But that's not what's happening.

    Dig down really deep and ask yourself, is this the thing you can't live without or can you wait to see what else comes along? This has to be about you, not us. You don't get to justify a purchase that you end up not liking, based on a bunch of different opinions from folks who have no real vested interest in this.

    Sorry to have gone on like this, but I see so many people asking, should I buy such and such amp and we know nothing about you. I just don't get how it is that people put so much importance in someone else's opinion to the point of relegating the decision to complete, strangers.

    Ask what we think about this amp or that amp, but please don't ask us to make a purchasing decision for you.

    Good luck in your search.
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  7. dbase

    dbase Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 3, 2008
    South Jersey, USA..
    Life is short ... go for it. ;)
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  8. The Chuck

    The Chuck

    Dec 11, 2013
    Wilmington, NC
    Redheads in my experience, don't like 5s or 6s. The one I played trough years ago didn't anyway. It farted out at a volume that wasn't that loud at all.
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  9. buldog5151bass

    buldog5151bass Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.

    Oct 22, 2003
    If money is tight, rather than an expensive direct box, why not get a decent used class D head, such as a GK MB500, which works decently for that purpose. Lots of these heads on sale here. Then look for a used 410. Again, lots of them out there. Heavy, but sound good. Much more versatile, and a better use of your money. Start saving those $150 installments, and don't go layaway.
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  10. BigBobbyBass


    Jan 23, 2015
    That amp was a huge disappointment to me in the 90's. Super tubby low end, no cut at all. Like above comment, disappeared in the mix. YMMV
  11. FranF

    FranF Supporting Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    Northeastern PA
    I'd pass. The ones I used in the 90s were new, and didn't cut it live, and they were new. ;-) This one is much older and possibly even more lame. There's a reason they stopped making them.
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  12. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Inactive

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    I gigged one hundreds of times for about 7 years. A few observations.

    1) It is indestructible. You just can't kill it.

    2) It runs HOT! I have no idea why the fur on top didn't melt. It got that hot. Even my bass cable tip would be hot to the touch at the end of the gig. Like, make you drop it and say bad words hot.

    3) By itself, it isn't enough in most cases. I ran mine with an SWR Triad cab under it. I had the combo modded and wired in parallel (I's been a while) so it split wattage evenly. From the factory it is wired to send 100W to an extension cab and 250W to the combo (or something like that). Together they were enough in most cases.

    4) As stated earlier, by itself it will not take a low B very well.

    5) It wants to be scooped. I happened to have a bass with a mid frequency control at the time. So I was able to dial in some low mids to punch through. But that rig wants to sound like Marcus Miller.....which is great if you play laid back jazz and solos. But if you need to punch through a band it is tough to dial in.

    So, it's well built. But it's "funny" to dial in. And, by itself, it will not knock you over with boom and volume.

    For coffee house gigs on a four string, it would be ideal.

    By the way, I loaned it to a guy to play acoustic guitar through once. It sounded INCREDIBLE for that, oddly enough. I don't know why it doesn't have a cult following in the acoustic guitar world.
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  13. Skeptismo


    Sep 5, 2011
    Well, it could be a really killer bargain. I think I'd want to get to know that combo better before pulling the trigger. If it's in good shape, I wonder why it's priced on the low end?

    Good luck!
  14. InhumanResource

    InhumanResource Supporting Member

    Dec 28, 2012
    Bucks County, PA
    I had access to one of these for a while and absolutely hated it. It's one of the few amps that I just could not get a usable tone from. I would rather pay through one of those old peavey keyboard amps than this thing, at least then you'd have some bottom and mids.
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  15. Had pass. For $400 you can get a LOT more amp than that.
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  16. Ewo

    Ewo a/k/a Steve Cooper Supporting Member

    Apr 2, 2008
    Huntington WV
    Re #2:

    IIRC, some SWR amps used the chassis as the heat sink. So it was "normal" for the case to feel abnormally warm.

    Re #5:

    I auditioned one in a music store, and considered buying it. But it seemed too much like a one-trick pony for my purposes, and I passed on it.
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  17. salcott

    salcott Supporting Member

    Aug 22, 2007
    NYC, Inwood.
    I had two different SWR combos, and have encountered the heads/speakers in a few backline-provided situations. I never got an acceptable (for me) sound from any of them.
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  18. Element Zero

    Element Zero Supporting Member

    Dec 14, 2016
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  19. LT131


    Jan 25, 2015
    Deep South
    Pass. There are a few nifty combos that could be had new in that range. Probably finance too.
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  20. somebrains


    Feb 7, 2017
    My buddy left a new one with me in the 90's.
    He tried a Triad cab and either a 15" or 18", can't remember what they had at the time, to add lows for drop D.
    It didn't work, and tended to overheat the amp section.

    They are stupid heavy, even for their time we were shocked.

    The Super Redhead wasn't much louder.
    It didn't like 5's, tho there weren't many at the time.

    I didn't love the sound vs an Electric Blue head.

    You really should play it, and buy something else.
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