Shuttle 6.0 and Little Mark II personal comparison

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by GassieBall, Jul 3, 2008.

  1. GassieBall


    Oct 15, 2006
    I'm lucky enough to have both amps now. I've read the mini-shootout thread but have my own little twist to it. I very much agree that the LMII is quicker, punchier, and warmer, with more headroom. The Shuttle is more hi-fi with a great tubey vibe but lacks the pure SS hit that the LMII has. Both are good - but they are very different.

    Here's the interesting part. I have Epifani UL112 x 2 and Markbass 104HF/151HF cabs. It for some reason seemed logical that the LMII would sound best with the Markbass cabs and the Shuttle with the Epifani's. But in actuality, the LMII's warmth is best brought out by the hi-fi nature of the Epifani's whilst the Markbass cab's less sizzly high end tames the Shuttle very nicely. It's really early on for me. I haven't messed much with the EQ and I won't be in a live situation for a week or two, but I'm gonna see how they do on the battlefront.

    I know I'm stating the obvious, but I think it may give some people insight when choosing the right amp/cab mix for these little giants.

    As always, IMHO.
  2. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Inactive

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    DR Strings
    That's good to know.
  3. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Fair enough. Thx for the review.
  4. Lia_G


    Oct 27, 2005
    I wonder if this is why I ended up preferring the Shuttle 3.0 to the 6.0, and why I'm dearly loving my Carvin B1500 right now? Not that the 3.0 or 1500 are LMII clones, but that they have that SS punch as well, with the B1500 having it in spades, obviously.

    I think a Shuttle 6.0 FET option would be pretty darn cool. Or a NeoPak sized 2-channel setup ... sort of an ultralight GBE750. But I'm getting off the topic of the thread now, sorry.

    I haven't played around enough with a LMII to know for sure, but I think based on other experience that maybe I do prefer the SS side of things, even though I loved my NeoPak.

  5. This is really interesting...I've been REALLY wanting a Shuttle 6 lately but I do love my bass. And everyone talks about how the GB is very hi-fi in nature which, while I do like hi-fi, I really do prefer a warmer punchier tone.

    So would the general consensus be get a markbass LMII?

    I'm considering getting an aguilar DB112.

    Gahhh too many options and no shop near me that has MB or GB stuff :(
  6. The MB/EpiUL is still among the best combinations I've heard for a 'transparent, clean but not sterile' type of tone. Just wonderful!

    It's amazing how the 'mix and match' can result in certain pieces of gear to go from 'good' to 'great', or the other way around.
  7. GassieBall


    Oct 15, 2006
    It's funny, because in the classifieds I think there are trades for "my Shuttle for you LMII" and also vice versa.

    I wish I could help you, my friend, but I think the amps are different enough that it would be a polarized choice depending on what you are looking for.

    My band has not gotten together yet, but something makes me think that the Shuttle will get a little lost in the mix compared to the LMII because I feel it has less oomph. It might take a little more EQing.

    It's really nice to have the tube, though. It's not a knock you in the face overdrive, but just adds a little grit and fur. However, I think my EBS multicomp with tubesim or my PBDDI can emulate that to some degree using an LMII.

    Personally, if I were to only have one I think it would be the LMII with a Sansamp VT bass (which I have yet to obtain). I think that would just about cover it all.
  8. Interesting. I will need to give it more thought. Thanks :)
  9. The Diaper Geni

    The Diaper Geni Submissive. And loving it. Supporting Member

    Nov 22, 2005
    Central Ohio
    Nice, concise review! Thanks!

    I'm looking to jump on the really-really-light-amp bandwagon. Seems that the LMII and Shuttle are the top contenders.

    Sort of holding out for a Shuttle to go with my Bag End S15 stack. BUT, anybody here use a LMII with a BE?
  10. GassieBall


    Oct 15, 2006
    If you're in no big hurry, put the GK MB2 on your radar. Only prob is, nobody knows when it's really coming out.

    Never used BE, sorry.
  11. If one of your Bag's is an 'x' model with a tweeter, the LMII is wonderful due to the VLE control, which at low levels acts like a tweeter attenuator (which for some strange reason Bag End doesn't include on their tweeter loaded cabs.

    The S15 stack sounds great, but IMO can benefit from that punchy extended low end of the LMII versus the low mid presence of the 6.0. However, depends on the tone you are looking for.

  12. How crazy is it that the Shuttle sounds killer with the MB cab and the LMII sounds killer with the GB NEO cab LOLOL.
  13. ::::BASSIST::::

    ::::BASSIST:::: Progress Not Perfection.

    Sep 2, 2004
    Vancouver, BC Canada
    I have both amps also. My problem is I love them both and I can't make a decision which to put on backup status and which to give first call.

    The LMII seems louder to me, but I prefer the eq of the Shuttle. I prefer the fullness of the LMII with eq set flat and a cut at the high mids, but with the eq set 'right' on the shuttle its just a fantastic thing of beauty.

    I've a couple gigs on Vancouver Island this weekend and I'll be bringing the shuttle / epi UL115 rig. I want to see how much clean volume I can get out of it. Last weekend I used the LMII / Epi UL115 and the volume was huge. No need to add an extra cab even though its an 8 ohm load. Not so sure about that with the shuttle.

    They ARE both great, but very different amps.
  14. GassieBall


    Oct 15, 2006
    Now that is ironically funny. :)

    I think Ampeg sounds good with Ampeg and GK is good with GK. But most others are better mix and match. Keeps life interesting.
  15. gregbackstrom

    gregbackstrom Supporting Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Tacoma, Washington
    Lately I've been leaving the Shuttle's volume control all the way up and balancing my "crunch" and output with the gain and master controls. I haven't noticed any negative effects doing that, and the amp seems to achieve a higher overall volume level that way. Sounds great and it's way loud!

    I do like the LMII a lot with UL 112's. I also like the Shuttle with UL 110's, expecially with the low boost and mid scoop engaged. It's a great combination!

  16. That's actually my preferred setting for the 6.0 when I've messed with it... it allows the cleanest, punchiest tone IMO, and allows for the maximum range of 'tones' from the pre gain control. Even with the pre gain cranked, that amp doesn't do full out 'grind', so the usefulness of that 'post gain' control is kind of lost on me.

    It seems that it's a left-over from the 750 and 1200. The post gain control makes sense there for balancing the output of the tube and SS channels when using both at the same time. While it makes sense conceptually on the 6.0 (i.e., controlling the input to the EQ section if you are really cranking the pre gain), it doesn't really seem to deliver to me.

    I'd actually love to see them dump that 'post gain' control, and use the space for variable voicing filters (versus the presets) on the next generation. That would be pretty killer IMO!
  17. DougD

    DougD Bassman7654

    Sep 19, 2002
    North Las Vegas NV
    I had a Shuttle 6.0 for a while and I loved all the features it had. I also loved the way it sounded with my GK Neo 212. The only thing that bugged me was I could not dial out a certain tone no mater what I did, so I sent it back after one gig with it. That was stupid :( I should have kept it. Don’t get me wrong, It wasn’t a bad tone (sounded quite good actually) and the direct out to the house was great. But I couldn’t dial out that certain something.. I sent it back and got the Mark Bass F1. I’m now re-thinking it and am going get another Shuttle 6.0 as soon as I can sell my GK gear. and IMHO have the best of both worlds :)
  18. GassieBall


    Oct 15, 2006
    I must admit that I was hoping that the Shuttle was going to be able to grind more and allow for more distortion (i.e. I could get rid of my Sansamp) but I agree that it didn't deliver on that point.

    It's funny how I think now I can bring both amps easily and have a backup at all times no sweat. Just imagine lugging two SVT's around. No way.
  19. Cabinet choice has a lot to do with the performance of these amps. I have a Shuttle 6.0 and haven't really used it much as I prefer my Mesa Walkabout through my Berg AE410. I recently picked up an Accugroove Tri115 and I now find that through the Accugroove, I actually prefer the Shuttle's tone over the Mesa. I had put the Shuttle in the closet as my backup amp, but now really like the tone with the AG for a fairly small, easy to move around rig.
  20. DougD

    DougD Bassman7654

    Sep 19, 2002
    North Las Vegas NV