Shuttle 6.0 + Augilar GS112 not cutting it

This, IMO, has nothing to do with either the Shuttle 6.0 or the GS112... both great pieces of gear.

It has more to do with using a single 112 on certain types of gigs. If you like a relatively deep low end and play even somewhat aggressively, a single 112 will fold pretty easy, and start to 'power compress' the more you push it. This, combined with the fact that you are running the Shuttle at 'half power' at 8ohms makes for a nice sounding, but 'soft' rig.

Adding another GS112 will make a HUGE difference... exponentially more volume, low end, punch, etc. due to the extra cone area, the additional power at 4ohms, and the 'coupling' effect of combining two speakers (synergy).

IME.

 

I use my shuttle 6 with a SWR Goliath 3 Jr. 2x10 (8Ohm) and have no problems with volume. I just played an outdoor gig with a full band and loud drummer and actually found myself turning down a couple of times. I can't wait to add a Dr. Bass 112LF cab with it and see what the little thing can really do!

I agree with Kjung. It might be simply the cab by itself isn't cutting it.

 

I use two GS112s with my Markbass LMII (500 watts 4ohms) and it covers 95% of my gigs with no problem. On the gigs where I don't feel like I have enough I just have the soundman crank the bass a bit in the front of house.
I use a single GS112 for practice and smaller gigs.
Don't know anything about the shuttle, but I can tell you the GS112s shouldn't be the problem unless it is damaged somehow.

 

+1... two should kill... one, IMO and IME, not so much, depending on the volume, the mix, and the tone goal.

 

No my friend, it is YOU who are not cutting it!

What does this L1 system consist of?

 

Gil Mor - Please add a cabinet and let us know what happens. I have read all the Shuttle threads and am apprehensive for just the experience you had.

Thanks for the report.

 

Hey Udi. I experienced the same thing at a gig where I thought I was going to be going through the house and found out that I wasn't. The GS112 just could not hold its own by itself playing with a keyboardist, a hard hitting drummer, and a guitarist playing a marshall half stack.

I played the exact same rig this weekend at church and it worked perfect but the volume level was a lot lower. Basically one 112 is good for quiet to soft level gigs but anything more and you need two.

 

I wouldn't be apprehensive whatsoever. There's something amiss here lol. I have used both just an 8ohm 112 and just an 8ohm 210 in exactly the same situation that's being described here and they both worked perfectly. This sounds like another case of asking too much of a 112 in your tonal goal, but we shall see. The shuttle 6.0s (And the LMIIs and other amps of similar awesome quality) can handle these gigs without breaking a sweat.

 

If you bought a pair of $5000 headphones, surprise, you'd be getting even less volume. Paying more money won't help you defy physics, and if you're expecting a 112 cab to do wonders because it's expensive then that's exactly what you're doing wrong. Add another one, or if you have a limited budget send it back and buy a 4 ohm cab - maybe an avatar 212 or 410 would be a good and cheap solution. Good luck!

 

I have some experience with the STL 6.0 112 combo and the STL6.0 with other single cabs and the thing is loud. not loud if you're in Opeth but definitely should be more than adequate(if not almost Tommy Lee) in a 50-70 person setting.

 

I feel like GB amps, including the shuttle, GREATLY color the tone of my basses, for better or worse. I would hear others play though GB rigs and I thought they sounded awesome, then I would plug in with my arsenal of passive basses and notice that the sound I was comfortable with (pretty much the natural sound of my passive bass) was not there with everything set flat. After some tinkering, I found the sounds I wanted from the GB heads and it won't be long till I purchase a shuttle 6.0, but I am use to super clean, transparent, uncolored rigs...just like the Bose L1 system (although I feel it lacks a little bottom). So I know what you mean.

I think if you get more familiar with your rig and take the effect of the room you are playing in into effect, then you can find your sound. Let us know!

 

Maybe the GB and GS112 aren't a good match for each other? Although I think the single cab is the issue. Just guessing here.

 

Get a Neox212T. Period

 

I run a single Genz 112 with the 6.0 outside all week with a 4 piece band and sequences and get all the juice/tone I need without p.a. support. Maybe the neoX112 puts out a lot more but it has be great for me. Insode at night I use my other neoX112 with the GBE1200 and it slams. I am not sure why yours isn't doing it (I know it's not the same 112). Try 2 of them to get the juice and see what happens.

 

The weight difference between a GB NEOX 112 and a NEOX 212t isn't really that much.
I guess I'm old and lazy. I own a NEOX 212t and I use it indoor and out. The rig is loud but I can adjust for indoor gigs. On big outdoor gigs, I use it and run a DI on the back. (a very clean DI, btw)
Just did a huge outdoor show last weekend with large FOH support. I still had our drummer complaining to me about getting "bass ear" from my rig. That always puts a smile on my face

I like the idea of having a one lightweight head and cab for all my gigs. The boys in the band are always reminding me to grab "my purse" which is the Shuttle in its bag. Of course I'm the one laughing at about 2 am because it take me about 15 minutes to pack and ready to go home!!!

get a 212 cab and be done with it.

 

I think before you abandon your rig you should try a few things first.
Make sure you are setting the EQ section to push some low mids, if you are scooping the low mids out of your EQ you will dissappear instantly in a mix.
You may also want to try getting the cab up off the floor and closer to ear level so you can hear it easier, you may actually be loud enough as you are but just don't notice it because the sound is aimed at your ankles.

Or, it could be as simple as the 112 cab is not enough for your gig..........

 

You know I recently got me a Shuttle and a NeoX12 for my R&B band and rehearsals. But on Monday I used it for my Santana Tribute band. Now this huge band consists of the following: Two guitarist, two keyboardist (one sings lead), a back up/lead singer and a full slamming percussion section (Congero, tembales, and a drummer).

With the shuttle's master at a hair over 9 o'clock I had no problems cutting through! Now, we do old school high energy Santana. We don't mess around. At one point I was asked to turn down!

The thing about this rig is that it's just plain THICK! It cuts through not so much because of volume, but more because of Genz Benz's the receipt of frequencies. I can only imagine what two of these NeoX12 sound like. Do yourself a favor and check out the NeoX12.

Dam... I sound like a commercial!

 

You may want to consider borrowing or renting
another 112 before making a purchase this should
give you a good indication of what it will sound like
with 212's,as well troubleshooting your current gear..