Shuttle 6.0 + Augilar GS112 not cutting it

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by gil_mor, Jun 25, 2008.

  1. gil_mor


    Apr 24, 2006
    Talent, OR
    Hey there,
    Well, I just got the GS112 from a nice TB'er and it sounds great with the shuttle.

    I took it to the pub we always play in.
    A smallish 50-70 people place.
    Hooked everything up, and - not enough power, not even close.

    We didn't play any hard rock stuff or anything.
    The drummer is not a very hard hitting one, the guitar is playing through a small blues junior, another guitar/keyboard through another blues junior, and vocals through a Bose L1 system.

    I usually hook right in the Bose system and I really dig that sound.

    I've pushed the shuttle so it would hit the limiter when I'm hitting the harder notes (about 12-1 o'clock), dialed in a lot of mid, and set the pre-amp to over-load on the hardest notes.
    Bass at about 2 o'clock. Tried all kind of different settings.

    Nothing worked, not even close.
    I had to hook up to the bose system as I always do.
    Played through it the rest of the night, and it sounded good.

    Is this why I bought a $1000 rig?!

    What am I doing wrong?
  2. This, IMO, has nothing to do with either the Shuttle 6.0 or the GS112... both great pieces of gear.

    It has more to do with using a single 112 on certain types of gigs. If you like a relatively deep low end and play even somewhat aggressively, a single 112 will fold pretty easy, and start to 'power compress' the more you push it. This, combined with the fact that you are running the Shuttle at 'half power' at 8ohms makes for a nice sounding, but 'soft' rig.

    Adding another GS112 will make a HUGE difference... exponentially more volume, low end, punch, etc. due to the extra cone area, the additional power at 4ohms, and the 'coupling' effect of combining two speakers (synergy).

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  3. Bardley


    Nov 16, 2007
    Louisville, KY
    I use my shuttle 6 with a SWR Goliath 3 Jr. 2x10 (8Ohm) and have no problems with volume. I just played an outdoor gig with a full band and loud drummer and actually found myself turning down a couple of times. I can't wait to add a Dr. Bass 112LF cab with it and see what the little thing can really do! :hyper:

    I agree with Kjung. It might be simply the cab by itself isn't cutting it.
  4. cb56


    Jul 2, 2000
    I use two GS112s with my Markbass LMII (500 watts 4ohms) and it covers 95% of my gigs with no problem. On the gigs where I don't feel like I have enough I just have the soundman crank the bass a bit in the front of house.
    I use a single GS112 for practice and smaller gigs.
    Don't know anything about the shuttle, but I can tell you the GS112s shouldn't be the problem unless it is damaged somehow.
  5. +1... two should kill... one, IMO and IME, not so much, depending on the volume, the mix, and the tone goal.
  6. Fretless5verfan


    Jan 17, 2002
    No my friend, it is YOU who are not cutting it! :p

    What does this L1 system consist of?
  7. ctbass


    Jun 21, 2005
    Gil Mor - Please add a cabinet and let us know what happens. I have read all the Shuttle threads and am apprehensive for just the experience you had.

    Thanks for the report.
  8. Robear22

    Robear22 Supporting Member

    Sep 28, 2004
    Zion, Ill
    Hey Udi. I experienced the same thing at a gig where I thought I was going to be going through the house and found out that I wasn't.:eek: The GS112 just could not hold its own by itself playing with a keyboardist, a hard hitting drummer, and a guitarist playing a marshall half stack.

    I played the exact same rig this weekend at church and it worked perfect but the volume level was a lot lower. Basically one 112 is good for quiet to soft level gigs but anything more and you need two.
  9. Fretless5verfan


    Jan 17, 2002
    I wouldn't be apprehensive whatsoever. There's something amiss here lol. I have used both just an 8ohm 112 and just an 8ohm 210 in exactly the same situation that's being described here and they both worked perfectly. This sounds like another case of asking too much of a 112 in your tonal goal, but we shall see. The shuttle 6.0s (And the LMIIs and other amps of similar awesome quality) can handle these gigs without breaking a sweat.
  10. Dragonlord

    Dragonlord Rocks Around The Glocks

    Aug 30, 2000
    Greece, Europe
    If you bought a pair of $5000 headphones, surprise, you'd be getting even less volume. Paying more money won't help you defy physics, and if you're expecting a 112 cab to do wonders because it's expensive then that's exactly what you're doing wrong. Add another one, or if you have a limited budget send it back and buy a 4 ohm cab - maybe an avatar 212 or 410 would be a good and cheap solution. Good luck!
  11. Psychicpet

    Psychicpet Guest

    Mar 13, 2004
    Friend and Endorsee of Larry
    I have some experience with the STL 6.0 112 combo and the STL6.0 with other single cabs and the thing is loud. not loud if you're in Opeth but definitely should be more than adequate(if not almost Tommy Lee) in a 50-70 person setting.
  12. I feel like GB amps, including the shuttle, GREATLY color the tone of my basses, for better or worse. I would hear others play though GB rigs and I thought they sounded awesome, then I would plug in with my arsenal of passive basses and notice that the sound I was comfortable with (pretty much the natural sound of my passive bass) was not there with everything set flat. After some tinkering, I found the sounds I wanted from the GB heads and it won't be long till I purchase a shuttle 6.0, but I am use to super clean, transparent, uncolored rigs...just like the Bose L1 system (although I feel it lacks a little bottom). So I know what you mean.

    I think if you get more familiar with your rig and take the effect of the room you are playing in into effect, then you can find your sound. Let us know!
  13. cb56


    Jul 2, 2000
    Maybe the GB and GS112 aren't a good match for each other? Although I think the single cab is the issue. Just guessing here.
  14. rpsands


    Jul 6, 2007
    Get a Neox212T. Period :)
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  15. gil_mor


    Apr 24, 2006
    Talent, OR
    Wow, lots of comments.
    Basically, you either say:
    "It works for me, so it should work for you".
    "Get another/different cab, and go 4 ohms".

    Well, I think that by now it is safe to say that the Shuttle + GS112 wont cut it REGARDLESS of my tone goals.

    I've gigged with 150w combos and a 2X12+1X15" rig.
    It is nice to have the right tone, but being loud enough comes first.

    Don't get me wrong here, I really like the way the GS112 sounds with the shuttle, but in order to be heard, I'll sacrifice my "nice" tone every day of the week - in order to be heard.

    But this is not why I bought this rig.

    After couple of songs, I wasn't getting the volume I was after, even after compermising my tone (Adding lots of mix penetrating mids).

    Right now, I'm thinking about the following:
    Adding an Avatar 2X10 8 Ohm.
    Selling the GS and getting an Avatar 2X12 4 Ohm.
    Adding another GS.

    I really feel like adding a 2X10 for more punch (and for my curiosity).

    How do you think an Avatar 2X10 + the GS would sound like?

  16. Fretlessboy


    Nov 29, 2007
    St Augustine Florida
    Endorsing artist GENZ BENZ/HERCULES STANDS/XSonics
    I run a single Genz 112 with the 6.0 outside all week with a 4 piece band and sequences and get all the juice/tone I need without p.a. support. Maybe the neoX112 puts out a lot more but it has be great for me. Insode at night I use my other neoX112 with the GBE1200 and it slams. I am not sure why yours isn't doing it (I know it's not the same 112). Try 2 of them to get the juice and see what happens.
  17. The weight difference between a GB NEOX 112 and a NEOX 212t isn't really that much.
    I guess I'm old and lazy. I own a NEOX 212t and I use it indoor and out. The rig is loud but I can adjust for indoor gigs. On big outdoor gigs, I use it and run a DI on the back. (a very clean DI, btw)
    Just did a huge outdoor show last weekend with large FOH support. I still had our drummer complaining to me about getting "bass ear" from my rig. That always puts a smile on my face :D

    I like the idea of having a one lightweight head and cab for all my gigs. The boys in the band are always reminding me to grab "my purse" which is the Shuttle in its bag. Of course I'm the one laughing at about 2 am because it take me about 15 minutes to pack and ready to go home!!!

    get a 212 cab and be done with it.
  18. Vinny D

    Vinny D

    Jan 9, 2007
    Warwick, RI
    I think before you abandon your rig you should try a few things first.
    Make sure you are setting the EQ section to push some low mids, if you are scooping the low mids out of your EQ you will dissappear instantly in a mix.
    You may also want to try getting the cab up off the floor and closer to ear level so you can hear it easier, you may actually be loud enough as you are but just don't notice it because the sound is aimed at your ankles.

    Or, it could be as simple as the 112 cab is not enough for your gig..........
  19. You know I recently got me a Shuttle and a NeoX12 for my R&B band and rehearsals. But on Monday I used it for my Santana Tribute band. Now this huge band consists of the following: Two guitarist, two keyboardist (one sings lead), a back up/lead singer and a full slamming percussion section (Congero, tembales, and a drummer).

    With the shuttle's master at a hair over 9 o'clock I had no problems cutting through! Now, we do old school high energy Santana. We don't mess around. At one point I was asked to turn down!

    The thing about this rig is that it's just plain THICK! It cuts through not so much because of volume, but more because of Genz Benz's the receipt of frequencies. I can only imagine what two of these NeoX12 sound like. Do yourself a favor and check out the NeoX12.

    Dam... I sound like a commercial! :rollno:
  20. Loel

    Loel Blazin' Acadian

    Oct 31, 2004
    You may want to consider borrowing or renting
    another 112 before making a purchase this should
    give you a good indication of what it will sound like
    with 212's,as well troubleshooting your current gear..