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Six string tuned E-E?

Discussion in 'Strings [BG]' started by Gremson, Jun 8, 2017.


  1. Gremson

    Gremson

    Mar 22, 2012
    North-Leftern USA
    I've been playing a Bass VI for the past few years and loved what it was capable of, but always had trouble with the string spacing. I couldn't use my fingers and was stuck using a pick.
    I just sold it tonight, and placed an order for the SX Ursa six string jazz.
    I know sixers are usually tuned B-C, but does anyone know of any full scale string sets designed for EADGBE tuning?

    EDIT: I suppose more specifically, what gauge strings would you guys reccomend for stringing a sixer in such a manner? It's been so long since I've played a standard scale bass I'm not sure where to start!
     
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2017
  2. SLaPiNFuNK

    SLaPiNFuNK Banned SUSPENDED Commercial User

    Jul 28, 2006
    LA California
    The Brains: FretNation.com
    Nothing pre-packaged... You need to get a 4-string set and two singles.
     
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  3. ixlramp

    ixlramp

    Jan 25, 2005
    UK
    What gauge is the G string you plan to use?
    For EADGBE you would essentially buy two singles for standard bass high C and F (which are avaialble), then detune them a semitone.
     
  4. lz4005

    lz4005

    Oct 22, 2013
    Start by looking at 7 string bass sets, ignoring the low B.
     
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  5. Gremson

    Gremson

    Mar 22, 2012
    North-Leftern USA
    It looks like a four string set with two singles would be the way to go. The six string sets I see with a decent 105 low seems to get super light towards the top.
    I'm just not sure what gauge singles I shiuld get to keep a balanced feel. I know I prefer stronger tension. But I don't want to overwhelm the bass.
     
  6. mdogs

    mdogs Supporting Member

    Apr 13, 2010
    Constant state of flux
    Go to kaliumstrings.com. I'll bet these guys have exactly what you need.
     
  7. Gremson

    Gremson

    Mar 22, 2012
    North-Leftern USA
    Kallium is where I've been looking. The sets they have that start at 106 have a lighter top end than my Bass VI had. I feel that it should be heavier, but maybe I'm over thinking it.
     
  8. derg

    derg Supporting Member

    May 26, 2005
    Cleveland, OH
    I'd check out a 7 string set for the gauges and then build it that way.
     
  9. ixlramp

    ixlramp

    Jan 25, 2005
    UK
    Equal tension strings? A 'balanced feel' for a player does not necessarily happen with equal tension strings.
    The maximum possible tension of the top E (or high F of standard tuning) depends on whether it is a roundwound or a plain string.
    A roundwound that can reach F is around .020-.022 and so has a thin core that can't take a high tension.
    A plain steel high F is usually .018-.020 but a plain string can take a lot more tension, so using a higher gauge and higher tension is possible.

    Kalium's 'balanced tension' sets mostly have equal tension across the strings, but may have tension falling at high C and F to avoid string breakage, this may also depend on whether the top string is a roundwound or a plain steel.
    Their sets are not pitch-specific, so a 6 string set starting from a .106 is not necessarily for EADGCF, so you need to know which strings are plain, which are roundwound. I was told by Skip that their thin roundwounds can't take much tension due to thinner than average cores at that gauge, so you will need a plain steel top E.

    It's easy to buy a 4 string set, plus a high C, plus a guitar plain steel string for the top string (cheap to experiment with gauges too). Some brands (D'Addario) are long enough to reach the tuner posts closest to the nut, just thread a detached bass ball-end onto the string to make the ball end the right size.
     
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  10. Aidil

    Aidil

    Dec 4, 2014
    Jkt, IDN
    Just use a .020 plain steel bass string for the high E. Jason is selling one from GHS for only a dollar.

    I detuned my 7 string bass from standard fourths tuning BEADGCF to BEADGBE for few weeks without changing strings just to see whether it was easier to form chords since I could use standard guitar chord patterns, and the tensions were just fine. The high C and high F gauges were .028 and .020p.
     
  11. MYLOWFREQ

    MYLOWFREQ Supporting Member

    May 13, 2011
    New York
    Thd first two strings of a 7 string set can easily be tuned half a tone down and the gauges would not be a problem imo.
     
  12. DavC

    DavC Supporting Member

    May 17, 2005
    Tallmadge , Ohio
    isn't the Ibanez SRC6 6 stringer tuned like that .. ? thought they had specs at website .. ?? maybe gauges?
     
  13. Gremson

    Gremson

    Mar 22, 2012
    North-Leftern USA
    .020 just seems so small! Even my Bass VI had a .023 at the top end. I figured going with a standard scale bass I'd get some more substantial feeling strings on there.
    I'm thinking about making my own set from Kalium as follows:
    106, 086, 063, 051, 039, 029

    Can any more experienced string specialists forsee any complications with running such a set? I'm might just place an order tonight and see how it works.
     
  14. lz4005

    lz4005

    Oct 22, 2013
    You're over thinking it. Longer scale = the strings will be tighter at the same thickness. Or thinner at the same tension.
     
  15. Aidil

    Aidil

    Dec 4, 2014
    Jkt, IDN
    My SRC6 also came with .023 for the high E and I even bump it up to .026 with La Bella's. But that's 30" scale...

    On my 34" scale 6er / 35" scale 7er, I would not want to stretch my .028 high C to high E... I think it'll snap easily if I pop it when playing slap.
     
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  16. I would suggest Kalium but you might have to experiment with the high-E a little to find what you like.
    Also it doesn't hurt to have some extra high-E string if you it to be wound.
    I personally do not like having only one plain string.
    I was able to use a guitar string on my bass so my high-E was a wound .021" YMMV
    Try .106, .079, .059, .043, .031, .019p/.023.
     
  17. ixlramp

    ixlramp

    Jan 25, 2005
    UK
    A .020 at E will be fairly tight, the extra scale length raises the tension exponentially.
    That's extremely top heavy and will put a large imbalanced strain on the neck, on 34" the B will be close to breaking and the E will probably break. Don't waste your money. Go by tension charts and bass sets, not by gauges you are used to on a Bass VI.
    The top 6 of a 7 string set starting from a .105 would be around .105 .085 .065 .045 .032 .020p.

    Here's the Kalium tension chart, it's approximate for any roundwound and you can enter any scale length http://store.kaliumstrings.com/TensionCalculator/tensionChart.php?scale_length=34
     
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  18. ixlramp

    ixlramp

    Jan 25, 2005
    UK
    A .020p at E on 34" is 29lbs.
    A .023w at E on 30" is 29lbs.
    A .023p at E on 30" is 30lbs.
    So a .020p seems equivalent.
    I very much doubt any Kalium roundwound can be tuned to E without breaking, from what they have told me, so use a plain steel.

    I suggest starting with this set Hybrid Bass String Sets
    but order singles and boost the top 2 gauges a little since you are tuning them down a semitone, use the chart to match their tensions to the .043 G and make sure the top string is a plain steel.
    Result:
    .033 B
    .023p E (lower tension but is the largest plain).

    Or of course buy those gauges in another brand.
     
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2017
  19. Aidil

    Aidil

    Dec 4, 2014
    Jkt, IDN
    In case you don't know, there's a round wound .020w for normal long scale bass guitar (and of course has normal bass string ball end). It's from Ken Smith Burners line up.

    I own one for quite awhile, but I have no urge to use it. I bought it right away after acquiring my 7er cause I used to think the same way about having only one plain string. But after I play my 7er for quite some time, even after changing the factory strings to the Compressors and then to the Pressurewound (twice), I came to the same conclusion as many other 7er users have said in this TB forum, that (sound wise) any .020p plain string can match any other strings it pairs with.

    Even if I use it, it'll prone to break as I often pop strings, cause logically, they could only fit small core inside the .020 wound string.
     
  20. ^ It depends on what tone you are looking for; soft warm, bright in your face, somewhere in between. Warm on one side bright on the other and so on.
    I don't like changing strings all the time so I'm looking at how the different string will sound together 8 month from now.
     

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