I loathe "genre's". I'm talking extreme metal in this one whatever you call it, mainly Slipknot. My wife hates everything they stand for and refuses to "allow me" to listen to it within earshot of anyone she likes, have merchandise around the house or jam songs with friends (which is rare I hate playing those tunings anyway). I've always liked the music and the effect it had on me except during my depression where it became very infectious to my already unstable mental health and I could not risk exposure to any kind of metal as I took it all too seriously. (Pantera also used to give me road rage in those years, for example). One argument I have always maintained is that it is rather innovative music (to me), very powerful (to me and fans) and very suited to the genre's of both music and film that it supports in the correct context. Her arguments include references to troops listening to metal at war to alter their mindsets, influence on impressionable minds that are at risk of harm self or otherwise, and the general acceptance of aggression. One thing we both agree on is the general shift in lyrical personalisation of violence, the one-on-one "want to get you back" violence that was not as readily available through earlier metal bands I enjoyed - Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden and to a much lesser extent, Slayer. Just curious what peoples thoughts are on Slipknot, the whole scene they represent and their skills as musicians and showmen?