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Small gig amps

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by JP Bassman, Dec 7, 2001.


  1. JP Bassman

    JP Bassman

    Jun 18, 2001
    Jersey/DC
    Hi, I'm about to start gigging with my band for the first time :D and I need an amp. These obviously aren't arena shows and I should only need an amp loud enough to cover a bar or a small performance hall. I was thinking maybe the size of a 2x10 or a 4x10? A firend in a similar band has a 600 watt mesa-boogie head with a 6x10 speaker, but he can only use it on like Level 4. Is it worth it to get something where I can't even use half of the power? Then there's the question whether I should get a combo or a head/cab setup. As for combos, I was thinking maybe about an Ampeg BA-210sp. I read through some of the reviews on this board and overall i got the impression that y'all weren't overly impressed. At my local store I was playing around with a BA-115 which I really liked, but they didn't have any 210s at the time.

    Thanks for any help you can offer.
     
  2. Some questions:

    what sort of music do you play?
    Do you want a floor shaking sound or something more punchy?
    What does the guitarist(s) play through? How distorted?

    depending on the answers, you would need something between 50 and 1000 watts....
     
  3. JP Bassman

    JP Bassman

    Jun 18, 2001
    Jersey/DC
    We play rock...I know it's vague so here are some details:

    We mostly play softer pop-rock stuff, Linkin Park type soft-metal, and I love Sam Rivers, so I add alot of Limp-type basslines to the softer stuff.

    Most of the basslines are supporting the main guitar riffs, but alot of them are meant to be heard prominently. Alot of bridges are for all intensive purposes bass solos as well.
    We definitely rock-out alot, and we have one "hardcore" song, it's mostly a joke, but for that I definitely want some things shaking :D

    The guitarists both play through 600 watt heads one has a 6x10 the other has a 4x15 I think (might be a 4x10). We use SOME distortion, not alot.

    I definitely want to be heard through the 2 guitarists. Ideally I want something that can give me the punch as well as the "floor shaking" ability.

    Hope that helps.
     
  4. Bloody hell! 600 watt guitar amps. I need to sit down! a 4x15 for guitar? You are having us on....oh, a 4x10....the difference is you can pick up a 4x10 off the floor.

    rent a PA.

    How loud do they play? I use 30 watts on guitar....

    Seriously, it sounds like you need a lot of power. Carvin might be the most cost effective. Perhaps concentrate on 15" speakers and trust to running through the PA for the mid range and top.

    600 watt guitar amps. What on Earth FOR? Ritchie Blackmore once had a 500 watt Marshall built for him...but his gigs were not weekend warrior stuff...
     
  5. pedro

    pedro

    Apr 5, 2000
    Madison, WI.
    [The guitarists both play through 600 watt heads one has a 6x10 the other has a 4x15 I think (might be a 4x10). We use SOME distortion, not alot.

    I'm w/ Andy on this. You're joking. Right?
     
  6. Last night I got to hear the Carvin PB200-15 combo. It is 160 watts driving their PS15 15" speaker with a tweeter. It is typical Carvin... the 15" requires 11 cubic feet, and is stuffed into about 2.0 cubic feet net volume. This cuts the nuts off the bottom end, but Carvin is honest about it and rates the PB200 as a 41 Hz cabinet.

    This thing was plenty loud and really cut through. The owner uses a MIM J-Bass std and turns the tone down to Kinda Thud. Not my cup of tea, but he was easy to hear. Their band was playing especially loud, and with two guitarists with Fender Twins.

    I was very impressed on how small it is, and easy for the owner to cart around.
     
  7. JP Bassman

    JP Bassman

    Jun 18, 2001
    Jersey/DC
    They don't use them right at all. They use them maybe on 4. Keep in mind theyre both spoiled rich kids :rolleyes: So it's not really surprising to me, but then again I don't know much about this stuff.

    Anyway about the Carvin - it sounds nice. How much is it?
     
  8. 600 watts!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    are they running like preamp poweramp setups?!?!?

    I don't know of any guitar heads that are 600 watts.

    That's major loud. on 4 that'd be deafening...btw: it's probably a 4x12" - that's the standard cab for a guitar.



    Yes. You mau never need it, in that case it's head room, and your amp is that much cleaner and punchier. If you ever need it though (and with 600 watt guitarists...yep) it'll be there. Helps to have it when you really need to shake things down low too ;)

    I can't get over this -
    maybe you meant 60 watts?
     
  9. our guitar player uses a little marshall combo i dont know how many watts it is on small gigs i use my 200 watt nemisis which has 2 10s in it never had to play it that loud i usually keep my volume @two oclock and my gain like 2 notches up which works fine for bigger gigs we have a pa. where i run through some nice homemade bass bins i take my swr silverado out for that. :cool:
     
  10. EString

    EString

    Nov 20, 2000
    Los Altos, CA
    Trust me, JP, the guitarists amps ARE NOT 600W and they DO NOT have 4x15s or 6x10s.

    Why don't you ask them about their gear. They'll probably tell you they're using 50W heads w/ 4x12s or something like that.

    If you played a 600W guitar amp with the gain at 4, you'd rupture the eardrums of everyone within a hundred feet of you.

    p.s. To my knowledge the most powerful power amp, not even a head, that Mesa Boogie has offerred as part of its standard production line was 250W per channel for a total of 500W.
     
  11. Ty McNeely

    Ty McNeely

    Mar 27, 2000
    TX

    And that's with the guitar volume on *0*:p:D

    Just the hum off of that thing at 4 would be deafening:D
     
  12. Anyone remember that bit right at the beginning of 'back to the future' where McFly hits one powerchord through some absurdly large amp? That's what it would be like.

    Also, a thought strikes me...many amps have a wattage rating on the back by the power cord. This refers to power consumption, not output. But lots of people think it's the output rating. Might this be the source of a misunderstanding here? I have checked all the amps I have in the house, and discovered that power consumption rating is around 3 times output rating. If this is the case, then the output rating would be something around 200watts. Still Wembley Arena level stuff, but more believable.
     
  13. All the Carvin stuff I have seen has been good for the price. You can order it direct from the factory, as well, cheaper.

    With big bass rigs, portability becomes a serious issue...


    Hmmmm, yet another thought strikes...all my amps here are solid state. In tube amps, you get MUCH higher voltages than you ever get in SS amps. Maybe they have higher power consumption anyway, with all that heating of triode valves.. would 600 watts be a normal power consumption for a tube amps?

    Anyway, for portability I really like the Fender Bassman 400, and would buy one if I needed one. I use a 100 watt Fender bass combo, which so far has done me for everything.
     
  14. mah

    mah

    Sep 10, 2001
    Edgerton,Ohio
    BREAK OUT THE EAR PLUGS OH MY GOD!!!!!!600 watts guitar u going to play at wood stock with out a pa hahahhahah
     
  15. JP Bassman

    JP Bassman

    Jun 18, 2001
    Jersey/DC
    I don't know, that's what they keep telling me....:shrug:

    Don't get me wrong, I believe all of you, they just keep insisting they have 600W heads.


    Hm, that's a very good possibility, I'll check on that.

    Again, thanks for all the help guys, I'm gonna go check out those Carvins.
     
  16. JP Bassman

    JP Bassman

    Jun 18, 2001
    Jersey/DC
    Ok, I'm checking out the Carvin website, and I'm looking at the RL610 - it's a 600W head with a 2x10 and a 1x15. It's here if youre interested: http://www.carvin.com/cgi-bin/Isearch.exe?CFG=2&P2=RL610&P1=BA
    Then there's a RL6815 which is essentially the same thing only with 2x8's as a combo and a 1x15 cab.

    So anyway, this goes back to my original question: What type should I get? - A 2x10, a 2x8/1x15combo, a straight 4x10, etc. From the way y'all have reacted to my obviously inaccurate guitar specs, I won't need *that* much power. (I'm still working on getting their REAL specs)

    I still need to try out the Carvin, but I think my final options are between the Carvin RL610, the Ampeg 2x10 BA-210 combo, or maybe an Ampeg 4x10 cab.

    Any suggestions?
     
  17. JP Bassman

    JP Bassman

    Jun 18, 2001
    Jersey/DC
    Man do I feel like a douche...the one kid still insists he has a 600W head, but the other guitar was like "He doesn't know what he's talking about. I have a 60Watt head, he's got a 50." So there you go, and the cabs are both 4x12.

    So....back to a real discussion.....:)
     
  18. snyderz

    snyderz

    Aug 20, 2000
    AZ mountains
    Simple math.
    2 guys with a 50 and a 60.
    2(50x60) = 600

    Sorry, what was the question? Oh yes, small gig amps. I use a Super Redhead.
    Doc
     
  19. BigBohn

    BigBohn

    Sep 29, 2001
    WPB, Florida
    Damn buddy, just to be on the safe side, I would recommend this. REMEMBER, this is just the MINIMUM of what you would need:

    *preamp*
    Crest 10001 (@10000 watts)
    Eden 810XLT
    Eden 810XLT
    Eden 810XLT
    Eden 810XLT

    With that setup, you might be able to cut thru all those 600 watts of guitar. Remember, I've never tried this setup. I do recommend ear plugs as well. Good luck.


    edited: what to would :)
     
  20. heelflip86

    heelflip86

    May 17, 2001
    holy heall!!! thats like wayyyyy too much for a guitarist i believe for just little shows like you were saying, ,,, but for you, i would say if you dont have alot of money goto www.speakerhole.com and buy two 4x10 for bass for 168 each, then i would buy a power amp from carvin and run it through a mesa boogie 800, each one of those 4x10's is evidently 1600 rms watts, hope this helps