Small rig (*ahem) advice

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Stephen Russell, Aug 9, 2022.

  1. SJan3

    SJan3 Supporting Member

    Dec 8, 2010
    Ct.
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  2. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
    Just note that many players who claim to be able to hear a speaker straining from too much power can’t actually hear this until the damage has happened. This is especially true if overdrive or distortion effects are being used.

    The biggest cause of damage is unreasonable expectations of a rig’s performance followed by an accident (such as a plug becoming partially unplugged) in a rig with more power than a speaker can handle.
     
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  3. skyline_01

    skyline_01 Endorsing artist: Nordstrand Audio, Tsunami Cables

    Nov 14, 2006
    Lebanon, OH
    I used the Reidmar 750 (still my main head - LOVE it) with an Aguilar GS112 as a main rig for a few years. I had absolutely no issues with that setup - I just kept a keen eye on the master volume.

    I now have an Epi UL 210 and a Tecamp M212 (both 4 ohm), and I still have yet to go past 9:00 on the master. Such a powerful amp.
     
  4. chris_b

    chris_b

    Jun 2, 2007
    I don't know anyone who runs their amps flat out, or pushes their cabs to the theoretical limit, but if you do either of those things then, apart from running the risk of breaking your gear and not sounding good, you'll need more drivers.

    If you run a rig at sensible volumes then your 750 watt amp into a 300 watt 112 should be fine.
     
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  5. iiipopes

    iiipopes Supporting Member

    May 4, 2009
    I have an Ashdown 1X12 lightweight cab that does well for practice/rehearsals/small gigs.
     
  6. Baloo Pasquariello

    Baloo Pasquariello Supporting Member

    Jan 23, 2015
    Battle Ground WA
    Side question... if I blow out a cabinet with too many watts, does just the speaker get damaged or are there other electrical components that get damaged as well? I know this is probably a dumb question.
     
  7. Medbo_BassBoy

    Medbo_BassBoy

    Nov 19, 2019
    Wyoming
    I would not go smaller then that. Love my GK112ii + mb200 rig.
     
  8. Ampslut is right. Just don't turn it up too high. If you do, you'll know in one microsecond that you have to back off on the output volume from the amp. The speaker will let you know.
     
  9. burgerdj

    burgerdj

    Dec 4, 2006
    Maryland
    You’ve just described a Mesa Boogie Walkabout Scout.
     
  10. T-boneParish

    T-boneParish Supporting Member

    Sep 7, 2016
    Austin
    You have just given astronomers new hope for V886 Centauri aka Lucy in the Sky!
     
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  11. Quadzilla

    Quadzilla Supporting Member

    Not sure of this is an option for you, however, it's cost effective and if you have a modeling pedal or preamp laying around (or run a DI from your pedal board) this could be a great option...


    On clearance for just $249 new!!! 650W RMS/1300 peak & just 29 lbs!

    Anyway, the reviews pretty much said that for a lightweight, PA speaker, that these put out a LOT of lows (hence the name "thump"). Figured for the money, why not give it a shot. Will let you know how this works out.

    Link to clearance ($249):
    Mackie Thump12A 12


    Thump12A 12" Powered Loudspeaker Specifications:
    Speaker Configuration
    • Active/passive: Active
    • Type: 2-way
    • LF driver: 12”
    • MF driver: Not applicable
    • HF driver: 1.4“ titanium
    Power
    • Amplifier class: D
    • Wattage: 650W RMS/1300 peak
    • Mixer/preamp: Yes
    Audio
    • Frequency response: 50Hz–23kHz
    • Coverage pattern: 90° x 60°
    • Max SPL: 125 dB
    • Wireless and Streaming
    • Dedicated app: Not applicable
    • Bluetooth: Not applicable
    Inputs
    • XLR: 1
    • TRS: 1
    • TS: Not applicable
    • RCA: Not applicable
    • SPEAKON: Not applicable
    Outputs
    • XLR: Thru (M)
    • TRS: Not applicable
    • TS: Not applicable
    • RCA: Not applicable
    • SPEAKON: Not applicable
    Enclosure
    • Cabinet material: Molded
    • Width: 14.5"
    • Height: 23.5"
    • Depth: 12.4"
    • Weight: 29 lb.
     
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  12. Maxi Funkl

    Maxi Funkl

    May 8, 2014
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  13. Runlikegregg

    Runlikegregg

    Dec 31, 2011
    Brooklyn
    Look at Schroeder cabs. I have a 1x12 and it's the loudest things ever. It doesn't make any sense.
    SCHROEDER.jpg
     
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  14. alembicbones

    alembicbones

    Nov 10, 2000
    Seattle, WA
    I still own and use a D210XLT and a D410XLT. I've owned them for years and they still sound great. That said, the D410XLT parks itself at our drummers house and the D210XLT stays at a different band's guitarist's house. They don't move much.

    Interestingly, I will be using the D210XLT at an outdoor gig at the end of the month. After rehearsal at the said guitarist's house, I packed it up and sent it with him for use at the upcoming venue. Still debating whether I will need FOH support or not. I use an Eden Traveler amp with it and it is pretty darn loud. Game time decision.

    Bones
     
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  15. Black Out Jazz

    Black Out Jazz Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 2, 2021
    location is overrated
    I'd step up to a 15" capable driver cab.
     
  16. That’s not a bad idea at all. I’ve been using the Melvin Lee Davis preamp from NUX and that might just be what I need!
     
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  17. SJan3

    SJan3 Supporting Member

    Dec 8, 2010
    Ct.
    True story:
    Years ago I walked into a music store and some guy was playing guitar into a Marshall stack on full tilt. That amp was screaming!! The grills were removed and one of the speakers had a hole in it. I said to the guy, "are you gonna replace that speaker?"
    His response, "What difference does it make?"
     
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  18. Christiaan

    Christiaan

    May 17, 2022
    The GRbass Cube 112 is rated 450 watt RMS. Get the 8 ohm version and I think you'll be safe
     
  19. Baloo Pasquariello

    Baloo Pasquariello Supporting Member

    Jan 23, 2015
    Battle Ground WA
    This is my small rig... 19 pound cabinet, 6 pound head, 8 ohm cab. The D-800+ puts out 400W at 8 Ohms, which is comfortable. Freakin' loud too. The cabinet is a GR Bass cabinet, mentioned above.

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  20. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
    Generally just the low frequency driver, though the tweeter can also be damaged under some conditions.

    Nope, my experience (from 40 years of designing and servicing commercial speaker products) is that most (by a large amount) players can’t hear a speaker being damaged until it’s too late.
     
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