Smaller in Size but Sounds like Ampeg 8 x 10

i also suspect the new version SVT-CL Heritage Head lacking the " Legend Ampeg Voice" from your earlier SVT classic head........

or.... hearing discrimination 25 years apart....

 

You do understand that the impedance of the drivers used has virtually no effect on the sound, right?

 

Would a high pass filter address the boominess and allow you to punch through? That seems to be the complaint.
I don’t know enough to answer the question, but certainly others here are more knowledgeable.

 

Without commenting too much on these statements, I'll just offer my opinion that the second one is more likely to be valid than the first.

Other random thoughts:

You can certainly buy better drivers than the stock ones, but just swapping drivers without a plan isn't a path to success. And spending money to replace 4 drivers starts to add up; it might be more advantageous to sell that cab and get a different one.

Increasing the amount of absorptive material inside might help some with the 'boominess', but again, a different cab might be indicated. It wouldn't cost much to experiment with additional 'wadding'.

If your cab has 8-ohm drivers, you could experiment with wiring them in parallel for a 2-ohm load, Again, no cost -- just a little effort.

A HPF would probably help some. There... I said it.

 

Oops...nevermind then.

Hmmm...I don't have any experience with these two boxes in particular, but in general, that isn't considered to be how it works, at least IME.

My apologies for offering opinions where my knowledge base is so limited, but first, you should be able to get a 410 that gives you what you perceive to be the 810 sound. And 'trial and error' is a costly and frustrating way to proceed. At the very least, you could measure/calculate the internal volume of the cab and look at the data on the Eminence site to see how that matches up to their recommended volumes for sealed boxes with the drivers you're considering.

Anyway...apologies again for chiming in when I have so little to offer. I presume some other users who have more direct experience with what you're trying to do will be along directly. I'm thinking specifically that @JimmyM would have some valid observations.

 

the boomines of 410HE comes from around 150-200Hz frequencies and (Sometimes) not enough lows to properly “sit” in a dense mix. Also, I found out that this cab doesn’t like flat wounds. In result I got 410HLf and got rid of the boomy sound.
HPF IMHO won’t help.

 

I would try a pair of 210AV cabinets. The 410HE actually will do the trick but you need two of ‘em!

How small do you need to go? Berg NV610 is pretty compact.

 

One important aspect of an 8x10 is its height: It gets some speakers up closer to your ears so you can hear its full range. If you have a 4x10 on the floor pointed at the backs of your knees, you'll hear the low frequencies but not the mids or highs. For this reason (among others), I much prefer a pair of vertically stacked 2x10s to a 4x10 box. If you choose a 4x10, make sure it isn't sounding "boomy" just because of where you're standing, and consider putting it on a stand.

 

No, use two 410's. People used to literally cut those 810's in half. I know a guy who currently is using one of those halfs. He has a nice sealed Ampeg 8 ohm 410. You don't really have to buy a whole new cabinet. When I blew one of my old Evm 15b's I had it reconned for 50 bucks at Steve's Music. I could have put in a 4 ohm coil had I thought about it at the time. The speakers in the 810 are 32 ohm. If you want a new sealed cab for a big tube head, a lot of people on here like the Bergantino NV610.

 

@JimmyM is absoluetly who I would turn to in this situation. I'm confident he can steer you to the right gear to try out to get to your tone goal or at least direct you to the right technical person to help with redesigning/revoicing what you have.

 

I am currently using two 410 HLF cabs..and even though I have heard many times about the "boominess" of the cabinet..I dont have that problem..I am using an ampeg SVT pro 4 head..I also run the bass through a tech 21 RPM preamp before the amp head..I can dial in or dial out anything..sounds great..Have even used with two 410's and one 810..

 

I can't remember what Drakar smells like from 25 years ago, but if you can remember what an SVT sounded like 25 years ago and your hearing hasn't changed, good for you.

 

I believe the original Ampeg SVT cabinets were sealed as oppose to being ported which can make a big difference. I have a Bergantino sealed NV212T and I perfer it over ported cabinets I have owned.

 

The 2-2x10's would probably get you in the range of the sound you're looking for, especially if you do a vertical stack. I've never played one but I hear great things about the Revsound 4x8 and 4x10 verticals. They have a reputation for being light, punchy, and LOUD. Might be worth a look.