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Smoke from Eden 4-10XLT

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by slugworth, Nov 20, 2005.

  1. Nov 20, 2005 #1
    slugworth

    slugworth Inactive

    Jun 12, 2003
    So. Calif.
    Last nite I set up my rig (Alembic F1X/QSC3002), I was just
    noodling around and tuning up at very low levels, and all of a sudden smoke started coming out of the top port of the cab.
    It looked like a chimney; it was thick, grey, foul smelling smoke. I powered down and waited a little while...Powered back up and SAME THING...Took my flashlight and started looking around, checking cables, connections, etc, etc...
    Finally after 3 or 4 on/off cycles, it stopped, but the horn quit working and the control knob would no longer turn. (I had it completely OFF) The speakers still worked and I was able to do the gig, but this morning I removed the X-over
    board from the back of the cab; the fuse was blown and the pot for the horn control was competely burned. I took off the cover on the pot, and it was totally charred inside and was oozing a nasty tar looking substance....Weird...Even the club manager was about to grab a fire extinguisher. Good thing it didn't start a fire...Anybody else ever have this happen?
    I'm gonna call Eden tomorrow.

    Slug
     
  2. Nov 20, 2005 #2
    VRT_RONBO

    VRT_RONBO Guest

    May 19, 2005
    Winston-Salem, North Carolina
    OUCH!!!! Smoke=not good. Fire=even worse. I fried a guitar amp years ago in much the same fashion. It was a combo amp and it was destroyed. I hope that is not the case for you. Turned out, for mine, to be a shorted wire that got hot, melted the insulation, then shorted the circuit board. Like a never ending chain reaction. I hope yours is not as serious. :meh:
     
  3. Nov 20, 2005 #3
    slugworth

    slugworth Inactive

    Jun 12, 2003
    So. Calif.
    I robbed a horn control pot out of one of my other Eden cabs and it's working fine now....It seems like the pot just gave up.

    Slug
     
  4. Nov 20, 2005 #4
    slugworth

    slugworth Inactive

    Jun 12, 2003
    So. Calif.
    It's just a variable resistor and looks like the contact just wore out....????

    Slug
     
  5. Nov 20, 2005 #5
    VRT_RONBO

    VRT_RONBO Guest

    May 19, 2005
    Winston-Salem, North Carolina
    kewl for you!!!!!! :hyper: Blown pot much better than blown...well anything else. Rock on!!!!!! :bassist:
     
  6. Nov 20, 2005 #6
    chaosMK

    chaosMK

    May 26, 2005
    Albuquerque, NM
    Too much hip thrust
    Wow, I thought Eden gear was Quality. To be honest, I kind of laughed when I read the title of this thread. Well, glad its alright.
     
  7. Nov 20, 2005 #7
    slugworth

    slugworth Inactive

    Jun 12, 2003
    So. Calif.
    >>> This cabinet has several hundred hours of very, very hard use on it... Even with the failure of that part, I was still able to do the gig...

    Slug
     
  8. Nov 20, 2005 #8
    oldrocker

    oldrocker

    Feb 13, 2005
    Long Island, NY / Tarpon Springs FL
    That must have been a fun gig. I would have spent the rest of night wondering what was going to go on fire next :eek:
     
  9. Nov 20, 2005 #9
    DeadRBassistNJ

    DeadRBassistNJ Guest

    Nov 22, 2004
    Central Jersey Shore
    That happened to my Avatar cab except my horn burned out instead. It ended up like this:

    Bass picking up transformer noise when i sat down next to my rig with my bass + DDT Limiter off + Active Treble on Bass cranked + Bright switch in = Feedback + High frequency signals + amp clipping + smoke pouring out of the 1/4" jacks on the back.

    That all occurred in about a 2 second time span. It was the perfect spontanious set of circumstances for disaster we all subconciously fear.
     
  10. Nov 20, 2005 #10
    mgood

    mgood Guest

    Sep 29, 2001
    Levelland, Texas
    I believe it is. Any piece of gear can fail. Fortunately this one was an easy fix.
     
  11. Nov 20, 2005 #11
    getz76

    getz76 Guest

    Apr 3, 2005
    Hoboken, NJ
    you had the horn turned off? that means you all of the power was going to the L-pad (pot) instead of the tweeter. all of that powet gets disappated as heat, that's where the fire came from. if you going to run the cab with the tweeter off, you may want to remove it from the circuit.
     
  12. Nov 20, 2005 #12
    slugworth

    slugworth Inactive

    Jun 12, 2003
    So. Calif.
    >>> Didn't know that...Thanks!

    Slug
     
  13. Nov 21, 2005 #13
    slugworth

    slugworth Inactive

    Jun 12, 2003
    So. Calif.
    I ordered the new part today from Eden. $16. Coulda been
    worse...

    Slug
     
  14. Nov 21, 2005 #14
    permagrin

    permagrin

    May 1, 2003
    San Pedro, CA
    Or, don't turn the tweeter attenuator all the way off, have it on low, a click or two, but all the way off is bad.
     
  15. Nov 21, 2005 #15
    Christopher

    Christopher

    Apr 28, 2000
    New York, NY
    Yeah, I had a similar situation with lots of high-frequency feedback going to the horn of my Eden CX110. All that happened is that the fuse blew.
     
  16. Nov 21, 2005 #16
    Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Retired Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    It says right in the owner's manual, "Never, under any circumstances, let the smoke out of the cabinet."
     
  17. Nov 21, 2005 #17
    12bass

    12bass

    Jan 2, 2003
    Victoria, Canada
    Maybe Eden should switch to sealed cabinets, just to keep the smoke in?
     
  18. Nov 22, 2005 #18
    Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Retired Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    It might help. LOL