so got a fEarful cab today... it is everything they say it is... few questions...

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by mistermikev, Jun 27, 2020.

  1. mistermikev

    mistermikev

    Nov 3, 2015
    so I picked up a fEarful 15/15/6/6 today. my first impression is - wow. I wasn't pushing it at all... just a 60 watt tube amp, with my spector 5 string... but the ease at which it handled that low be was nothing like anything I've experience. I'm a believer.

    ok, so, I run a stereo rig, and bought this because my plan was to either snag a set of two flat packs for the 15/6 tube... or... gulp... build my own.

    I know what I'm doing with wood... I could make pretty short work of the flat packs but... seems like 1/2" plywood has some drawbacks:
    1) not that strong. if you have to drill into 1/2 ply at any point... there's just not enough there to hold screws long term.
    2) roundover at the edges will weaken the cab. again... just not much there.
    3) edges just aren't pretty.

    dress up the cabs pretty well with veneer and perhaps a 1/2" frame at the front of some figured wood?

    I could built my own cabs out of 3/4" and do a 3" frame at the front out of flamed maple to make it prettier... but we'd still have the edge running along the top/sides.

    just curious what the general consensus on the 1/2" cab packs afa durability, looks, etc. general thoughts on 'build your own cab to same specs' or flat packs.
     
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  2. mistermikev

    mistermikev

    Nov 3, 2015
    here she is btw...
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  3. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
    If you know what you are doing with wood, you would also know that screws are never used for long term holding of the joints... that's what the glue is for. If you want to make the joint even stronger, use 3/4" or 1" triangular cleats (glued of course).
     
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  4. Foz

    Foz

    Jul 26, 2008
    Jax FL USA
    follow the plans and it'll all work out
     
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  5. mistermikev

    mistermikev

    Nov 3, 2015
    if we were talking just about the corner joints -that'd be true to an extent (see below)... but consider the speaker mount, jack plate, rollers, handles, corner pieces, grill mount... all held primarily by screws. I suppose you COULD glue these in but am not sure that really is what you want (in case you need to remove). you could reinforce those areas but that is going to subtract from the internal volume.

    for sake of argument... glue > screws, however screws + glue > glue.

    "if you want to make a joint even stronger" - finger joints, rabbit joints, dowel joints are going to be far superior to cleats/biscuits/glue.
     
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  6. jallenbass

    jallenbass Supporting Member Commercial User

    May 17, 2005
    Bend, Oregon
    I've made all of my gigging cabinets out of 1/2" Sandeply from Home Depot and they all work great. No issues here.
     
  7. wcriley

    wcriley

    Apr 5, 2010
    Western PA
    I'm not sure the plans call for it, but most people glue small blocks of plywood to add "grip" for the screws at stress points such as woofers, handles, etc. Very little decrease in internal volume.
    The recommended adhesive is stronger than the wood it's holding.
     
  8. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
    With quality plywood (and proper screws) corners, handles and jack plate screws are no problem.

    Speakers are generally installed with T-nuts, with 1/2" ply the shorter neck version is used. If you don't have the thinner version, a glued backing ring can be used.

    The strength of the joint is determined by the glue and the surface area. Properly built 1/2" ply cabinets using quality materials can be plenty strong.
     
  9. wcriley

    wcriley

    Apr 5, 2010
    Western PA
    I was among the first handful of people to build a fEARful 12/6 and later was a beta tester for Leland's (discontinued) lightweight (Okume?) plywood flatpack. Prior to that I built a couple of Bill Fitz's Jacks. These cabinets were knocked around considerably for years without any problems/damage other than cosmetically. (Well...I did have a crossover come loose in a Jack, but that was due to a poor mounting choice on my part.)
    I've never heard of anyone having structural problems with either designer's cabinets.
    You can't go wrong if you follow the plans and peruse greenboy's (or Bill Fitz's) forum for tips and advice.
     
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  10. wcriley

    wcriley

    Apr 5, 2010
    Western PA
    Being a cheap-arse SOB, I mounted my drivers with what I had on hand: Plain old wood screws. Rather than full backing rings, I glued 1" x 1" blocks of 1/2" ply for the woofer screws. Those drivers have been in and out multiple times over the years as I changed the color of the baffle and the screws are still holding tight.
     
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  11. cableguy

    cableguy

    Jun 4, 2009
    North Bend, WA
    Great choice of cabs. Wait till you hear that cab with some real power behind it, that low B will bruise your kidneys...….:bassist: Don't worry about the 1/2" ply. It will be fine. Like wcriley, I used small blocks of scrap wood behind every screw location. Probably didn't need to, but I had left over wood scrap & thought, why not? I've found that with the 66, it's always good to have a smaller cab for most lower volume jams. I have (1) band that practices at pretty low volumes. I barely have to turn up on a 12/6. My other band plays hella loud. Ear plugs and my 66 for that one. If you're running stereo for clean/distorted signals, you may not need to do this. My fEARfuls take distortion very well. If you're doing it for more modulation based effects, then carry on.
     
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  12. Passinwind

    Passinwind I know nothing. Commercial User

    Dec 3, 2003
    Columbia River Gorge, WA.
    Owner/Designer &Toaster Tech Passinwind Electronics
    I built one of the very first fEARful 12/6 cabs out of scrap 3/4" Europly, using pocket screw joinery. And I used tiger maple strips on the top and bottom front edges, out of necessity since my plywood dimensions weren't quite big enough:

    fEarful_ng_3.jpg


    Great if you want a 65 lb. 12/6, but I would defintely never do that again. As @Foz said, just stick to the plans.;)
     
  13. MTN.bass72

    MTN.bass72 Supporting Member

    Jan 9, 2010
    Blue Ridge, Ga
    @mistermikev ... ^^^^^THIS^^^^^

    Also, with that much fEARful, I'm not sure you'd need a stereo rig, but you know your needs..
    I'll also say, throw some watts at that beast and you'll really hear it sing..

    When I had my 12/6, and F112, I'd bridge a Crest Prolite 2.0 into either... 1100 watts @8ohms... and it was magical!!

    That same amp will put almost 2000 into your cab
    Congrats!! Enjoy it
     
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  14. mistermikev

    mistermikev

    Nov 3, 2015
    i appreciate your input.

    thank you for the reply

    ime the speaker mount is the achilles heal. there is generally 1/8-1/4" of plywood supporting the t-nuts/screws right there at the edge. which brings up another thing I'm not keen on w the flat packs - at least the pictures show a pretty inconsistent speaker cutout. I would have guessed these are cnc and maybe when the pic was taken then weren't but are now hopefully? anyone confirm?

    thanks for the input. this one indeed was gigged and looks pretty decent considering and other than some of the hardware mounts.

    right on. nothing wrong with wood screws.

    right on. thank you for the input. I don't play out so these are going to be underpowered 99% of the time... 60watt tube to each side. that can feel plenty loud in a 12x14 room.
    my motivations were: i have an axefx3 and svt-iip so with two cabs I'll be able to do full stereo fx or send pseudo biamp signals to the poweramp. I also plan to occasionally run a guitar thu it.





    I do value and appreciate the group input. You've pretty much convinced me that the flat packs are fine and I don't "need" to build my own. I will think about adding veneer and perhaps a face frame or some other creative solution to dress up the cabs. thank you all again.
     
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  15. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
    How do you end up with 1/4" or 1/8" of plywood supporting the speaker? This is certainly not true of any commercial speaker I have ever designed using 1/2" ply.
     
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  16. mistermikev

    mistermikev

    Nov 3, 2015
    that is right along the lines I was thinking. looks good.
    I an thinking of another idea at present... could veneer the three sides, veneer the face, the finish everything with poly, then go back and cut a small chamfer on all edges revealing bare plywood... then stain that dark. veneer tends to get ruined at an edge pretty quick so... just thinking how to make something that will look good for years without the extra work of wood frame. wood frame will look the best tho.

    need? already have a crazy setup... clearly need has nothing to do with it! thank you for the reply!
     
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  17. Passinwind

    Passinwind I know nothing. Commercial User

    Dec 3, 2003
    Columbia River Gorge, WA.
    Owner/Designer &Toaster Tech Passinwind Electronics
    FWIW, I have often used stereo rigs and also put guitar synth, guitar, and processed vocals through my cabs. And I'm doing a 100 watt tube amp build with clean/dirty rig in mind at the moment as well. Playing out is no longer a priority to me, so none of the usual caveats matter at this point. I'll just mention that a variable HPF on at least one or the other of your rigs is likely to enhance bottom end rather than diminish it in many if not most cases.
     
  18. Foz

    Foz

    Jul 26, 2008
    Jax FL USA
    I used the method AH endorses above on the woofers on my GB cabs = T-Nuts. Other methods will work fine for most but having done quite a bit of fiddling with xover mods I opened up some of my cabs more times in a few weeks than an average user would in a lifetime. Thus having zero wear-n-tear fasteners for the woof was extra beneficial.

    I used 5/16" tall, 1/4-20 T-Nuts with 4 prongs and Socket Head Cap Screw - 1/4-20 x 1" - Hexagonal Allen Bolt -Full Thread fasteners. Avoid as best you can non-perfect T-Nut alignment with the mounting holes in the speaker... getting a "factory" grade alignment on these parts makes all future woof removal / reinstall a snap.

    I drilled one through hole and installed one T-Nut using a large washer under the bolt against the baffle [set speaker aside] and cranked down until T-Nut was fully set and confirmed perfectly square... then reinstalled speaker and affixed the one bolt so I could confirm perfect alignment of the next through hole. Once you have two or three set perfectly you can probably do all the rest at once.
     
  19. cableguy

    cableguy

    Jun 4, 2009
    North Bend, WA
    OP, If you're using a fractal AF3, it will sound great. I use to use an AX8 and my cab sounded great for bass or guitar. With the AF3, you should be able to control about any parameter you need.
     
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  20. mistermikev

    mistermikev

    Nov 3, 2015
    first off, I'm one of the few who see your avatar and think "I KNOW NOTHINK!"
    hpf - I will keep that in mind. I've got a number of bi/tri/quad amp presets I've built where I'm certainly employing all sorts of hp/lp/crossovers. sending highs dry or sending lows dry or any number of variations. my current speakers just were not delivering enough highs to really make use of that but my studio monitors did a pretty good job.
     
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