There's lots of threads in BM about guys who can't cut the mustard on several levels, and one of the typical responses is to give the person in question a chance to step up and get their act together. In over 25 years of playing, the last time when someone stepped up and met the grade was probably in high school but that was because we all sucked on our instruments and were messed up in the head, so there was nowhere to go but up. But in my adult, and semi-professional world this never has happened. Folks who couldn't play didn't actually learn to play in time for the band to get somewhere. Folks with drug/alcohol/relationship problems usually didn't clear up these issues until maybe 10 years later when the band had long been folded. People who were unprepared or flaky didn't all of sudden become responsible and reliable. And people who were difficult to work with, never seemed to get easier to work with. If anything, they got worse. So, give some hope to this jaded musician... If there has been a time where someone stepped up their game and got their act together, please share. If not, you can share in my jadedness.