So I've got a tube head rated at 5 Ohms...

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by SpankyPants, Jul 30, 2009.

  1. SpankyPants

    SpankyPants That's Mr. SpankyPants to you.

    Aug 24, 2006
    Brooklyn, NY
    I'm getting a tube head from the 70's that's rated at 5 ohms. Being the speaker snob that Bill Fitzmaurice has turned me into, I opted out of the matching 5ohm cabinet that came with it. However, I'm now left to figure out what speakers I can connect to the head...

    Obviously I could use a cab rated at 8 or 16 ohms (or what have you), but would running a 4ohm cab really be pushing it? Is there some way to mod the amp to run at 4 ohms? I ask because I currently have a BFM O10 that can run at 4 (preferred) or 16 ohms, but I'd rather use the lower ohm rating to utilize all dem wattages.

    BTW, the amp is an AIMS VTB-120.
     
  2. SpamBot

    SpamBot

    Dec 25, 2008
    St. Paul, MN
    Running at 4 would be better than 8 or 16. On a tube amp you want as close as possible to the tap impedance. Best would be a 5.3ohm cab, i.e. 610 with 8ohm speakers in three paralleled series pairs, or a 310 with 16ohm speakers paralleled.
     
  3. SpankyPants

    SpankyPants That's Mr. SpankyPants to you.

    Aug 24, 2006
    Brooklyn, NY
    It came with a 610 of 8ohm speakers, but all I've got right now are 4 ohmers. But still, would running it at 4ohms hurt it? Would a mod even be necessary? Or possible?
     
  4. KPAX

    KPAX Inactive

    Mar 22, 2005
    It'll be fine with a 4 ohm cab.
    The impedence rating of a cab (or driver) is only an approximation. The actual impedence varies with frequency.
    The same goes for amps.
     
  5. coreyfyfe

    coreyfyfe Supporting Member

    Nov 19, 2007
    boston, ma
    Running it at 4 ohms probably wouldn't hurt it right away, long term potentially. I believe in order to change the output impedance, you'd need to change the output transformer. As said above, 5.3 would be your easiest route if you need to throw something together.
     
  6. SpankyPants

    SpankyPants That's Mr. SpankyPants to you.

    Aug 24, 2006
    Brooklyn, NY
    Well, non of my cabs are (or will be) 5.3 ohms or equivalent, so how would I go about changing that transformer? Where could I get one for 4 ohms? I'm betting they're expensive, too.

    (Sweet!)
     
  7. SpamBot

    SpamBot

    Dec 25, 2008
    St. Paul, MN
    Pretty expensive. Take it to a tech.
    You might be ok running 4ohms. Some amps can take it, some can't. I wouldn't risk it.
     
  8. SpankyPants

    SpankyPants That's Mr. SpankyPants to you.

    Aug 24, 2006
    Brooklyn, NY
    Great! I was hoping I could spend more money. :rollno:
     
  9. You'll be fine running the 5 ohm tap into a 4 ohm cab. Tube amps can handle that small a mismatch.

    Chris
     
  10. SpamBot

    SpamBot

    Dec 25, 2008
    St. Paul, MN
    By the way, you can get your 5.3ohms running an 8ohm cab and a 16ohm cab in parallel.
    If you don't have a 16ohm cab, take a 4ohm cab to a tech.
    The tech can wire it (Or at least should be able to wire it) to switch between 4 ohms and 16 ohms. You can do this either with a jack for each impedance, or a DPDT switch.
     
  11. SpankyPants

    SpankyPants That's Mr. SpankyPants to you.

    Aug 24, 2006
    Brooklyn, NY
    I was thinking about trying that out, actually. I've got a cab that's switchable from 4 to 16 ohms, and I used to have another 8ohm cab.... that had to get left behind when I moved back to Louisiana. :(
     
  12. SpamBot

    SpamBot

    Dec 25, 2008
    St. Paul, MN
    Bummer!
    Thing is you already have the hard-to-come-by bit. Grab an 8ohm Avatar for chump change and you're set, or just go on CL and grab the first cab you see for under $100.
    It's the most common impedance by far, you should be able to get one pretty easily.
     
  13. AMIS that I have seen use 6550's they are pretty stout tubes, they should not have any problem with the reduced plate load of 4 ohms. Going 8 ohms is a little chancey, 16 ohms could spell disaster. You may have other taps on the OT you don't know about?
     
  14. You could always get a 4Ω cab and run it in series with 8 x 8Ω cabs wired in parallel. :ninja:
     
  15. SpankyPants

    SpankyPants That's Mr. SpankyPants to you.

    Aug 24, 2006
    Brooklyn, NY
    Since they are 6550's in this head, I'll try this out and bring it to a local tech. Hopefully we can just tweak something small that isn't apparent to us yet....

    Say a prayer, y'all. Great tone is at stake!
     
  16. seamonkey

    seamonkey

    Aug 6, 2004
    Transformer amps are backwards, running at higher ohms than rated on the tap reflects back to the output devices and causes damage. Some amps amps actually have output jacks that short when no load is connected as this is much safer than no load. Check out the schematics
    6 x 8 = 5.33ohms
    or 3x16 = 5.33 ohms
    You could wire 12 x 4 ohms to get 5.33 ohms
    http://www.google.com/search?q=1/((1/(4+4+4+4))+(1/(4+4+4+4))+(1/(4+4+4+4)))&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

    4 ohms would be OK but why mess with it
     
  17. SpankyPants

    SpankyPants That's Mr. SpankyPants to you.

    Aug 24, 2006
    Brooklyn, NY
    Because the only cab I have is 4ohms...

    I someday plan on having a Bill Fitzmaurice cab setup that's also rated at 4 ohms. I don't want to use direct radiator cabs, which makes it difficult to just get a cab that can equal 5.3 ohms. So I'm trying to improvise a compromise.
     
  18. billfitzmaurice

    billfitzmaurice Commercial User

    Sep 15, 2004
    New Hampshire
    Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design
    With tubes the rated impedance load is the recommended maximum, as oppposed to SS, where it's the recommended minimum. Anywhere between 2.7 and 6 ohms should be just fine.
     
  19. I think with tube amp output impedance, it is better to think of it as a center average? Very little is absolute in audio amplification (related to impedance loading) and tube amp have the OT (Output Transformer) as a buffer to the output devices. SS requires a little more care in matching "rated" impedance as there is no buffer between the output devices and speakers.
     
  20. SpankyPants

    SpankyPants That's Mr. SpankyPants to you.

    Aug 24, 2006
    Brooklyn, NY
    Thank you, Bill. Do you search TB for your name like tombowlus, or did you just happen by this thread? :) (Just curious)

    The majority of y'all are saying that it'll be okay. I'll bring it to a tech beforehand anyway, just to make sure that everything is in working order. Wish me luck!