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So Who Would Win In A Fight

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by The Golden Boy, Dec 7, 2005.


  1. This being Pearl Harbor day and all...

    Who would win in a fight:

    The USS Wisconsin (in WWII form) or the Bismarck (with it's rudders intact)?
     
  2. canopener

    canopener

    Sep 15, 2003
    Isle of Lucy
    The USS Wisconsin...it hasn't been sunk yet!
     
  3. srxplayer

    srxplayer

    May 19, 2004
    Highland, CA
    Good point. I don't think there is an argument for that.

    I agree with Canopener.
     
  4. Bard2dbone

    Bard2dbone

    Aug 4, 2002
    Arlington TX
    Have you ever looked at an Iowa-class ship?

    Those things were monstrous. I toured the Iowa when I was serving on the Kennedy, bacck in '87 or so. On the tour they tell you that she took a direct hit from a five inch gun during the war and that they never repaired the battle damage...then they point out a ding in one of the bulkheads. It was about a 1/4" deep, and about the size of my palm. This from a direct hit from a round that would punch through the entire superstructure of a modern frigate.

    Bismarck was a serious ship. But she wouldn't stand a chance unless she caught the Wisconsin by complete surprise.
     
  5. I agree that the Wisconsin probably would have won over the Bismarck, but I believe the Bismark would have given a good account of herself before she went down.

    Let's just be glad the Japanese didn't have enough oil to keep the Yamato going, and that she was sunk when she was. Had she not been sunk, she might have caused a few big problems before the war was over. www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-fornv/japan/japsh-xz/yamato.htm

    Check out the U.S. Montana Class ships we never built! :eek:

    I love history !!! :hyper:

    Mike :)
     
  6. Thor

    Thor Moderator Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    I think I am going to tag along on this one,
    as I am a big WWII history buff.
     
  7. MY FRIEND !!! :hyper:

    Mike ;)
     
  8. Just related to WWII navy stuff

    Apparently at one point of the war the british and american fleets met, the admirals corresponded, the american admiral asking the british admiral how it felt to be alongside the biggest fleet in the world, the british admiral replied saying he didnt know, but what was it like being alongside the best fleet in the world :smug:

    Dont know if there is truth to it, but i thought it was funny, and yeah, they dont make warships like they used to, you should see some pictures of greenock in the days when it was hammering out ships, crazy
     
  9. If I may take us on a slight detour from Battleships to Submarines, here's something you may not know: Two U.S. Submarines, the USS Tang and the USS Tullibee were both sunk by circular runs of their own torpedoes. I believe these were the only two subs to which this ever happened.

    www.csp.navy.mil/ww2boats/tang.htm

    www.csp.navy.mil/ww2boats/tullibee.htm

    Here's a listing of all U.S. Pacific Fleet subs lost during WW2.

    www.csp.navy.mil/ww2boats.htm

    Mike

    I have to brush up on my naval history, but I always remember the Tang & the Tullibee.
     
  10. rdnzl@comcast.n

    rdnzl@comcast.n

    Oct 30, 2005
    WA
    Carrier based aircraft put an end to such behemoths.

    Something so huge that could be sunk by something so small.
     
  11. I also agree that the Wisconsin would have taken out Bismarck on her finest day.

    Battleships are fascinating to me. I'm not a Navy guy by any means, but these monsterous machines of maliciousness captivate me. I was reading accounts of the Bismarck's final battle. I realize her rudders were stuck, but it's amazing that it only took 2 hours to bring her down, and although she went down swinging, she didn't make a hit in that final engagement. For all the time, money and prestige wrapped up in that ship- 2 hours of fighting...

    I read an account from Korea how Wisconsin was battering some inland target, and a 155mm shore battery got off a few shots at her and hit her once. The 16 inchers completely obliterated the shore battery and went about her business obliterating her intended target.

    During the early phases of Desert Shield I was in a light infantry unit, and we were really afraid of the Iraqis rolling across the borders in T-72s. We would have been track grease. I remember the feeling of comfort knowing the Wisconsin's 16" guns were providing support, and for some reason not being afraid knowing one ton high explosive projectiles were flying over my head.
     
  12. Bob Lee (QSC)

    Bob Lee (QSC) In case you missed it, I work for QSC Audio! Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jul 3, 2001
    Costa Mesa, Calif.
    Technical Communications Developer, QSC Audio
    The Tang was commanded by Richard H. "Killer" O'Kane, one of the most renowned sub captains in the US Navy's history.

    I'd have to look it up, but I think the escape from the Tang was the first use of Momsen Lungs in an emergency.
     
  13. Bob Clayton

    Bob Clayton Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Aug 14, 2001
    Deptford, NJ
  14. I'm gonna go for the secret option: A tagteam of the Merrimack and Monitor.
     
  15. AxtoOx

    AxtoOx

    Nov 12, 2005
    Duncan, Okla.
    Being a Vet and bleeding Red White and Blue, I'll stick w/ any of the Iowa Class Battleships. I'm biased.
     
  16. Bard2dbone

    Bard2dbone

    Aug 4, 2002
    Arlington TX
    They might be the only American subs that it happened to.

    But I read a fairly awesome book this summer(Shadow Divers by Robert Kurson) about some New Jersey divers who found a U-boat where none should have been. They finally (after several years) managed to conclusively identify her...as a boat officially on record as sunk in Gibralter. They got a good look at her and she was apparently sunk by a circle runner as well.
     
  17. Very interesting, Bard. I'll see if I can find the book. ;)

    It's great to see all you guys interested in naval history! :hyper: I'm going to look for more links to post here.

    I noticed on the USS Bullhead, the last U.S. sub lost during WW2 that one of the sailors that died had the last name, Jewell. F.J. Jewell QM2
    www.csp.navy.mil/ww2boats/bullhead.htm

    What rank would that be? Quarter Master 2nd grade?

    I wonder if he's a distant relation? :confused:

    Mike
     
  18. Thor

    Thor Moderator Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Thanks Bard, I went to my library website and
    ordered the Kurson book, sounds very interesting.

    Michael, great links.

    That reminded me of all the issues submariners had with
    torpedo early in the Pacific Theater. See that same link about
    the Wahoo for example.