Solid body Electric Sitar Prototype

Discussion in 'Luthier's Corner' started by DrRock321, Jul 25, 2021.

  1. DrRock321

    DrRock321

    Jul 27, 2020
    Hows it goin yall? I know this isn't a bass but the effort will hopefully result in the development of a surbahar/electric bass hybrid. A solid body Electric Sitar doesn't necessarily exist currently, I've seen a few other prototypes on the internet but they all have left over design features from the acoustic instrument. Has anybody on here ever attempted anything like this???? IMG_20210725_161815.jpg IMG_20210725_162353.jpg IMG_20210725_162413.jpg
     
  2. Rôckhewer

    Rôckhewer Commercial User

    Feb 28, 2015
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Owner/Builder- RockHewer Custom Guitars LLC
    I've thought about it. But only idle musings.

    Does it still sound like a sitar without the gourd resonance chamber?
    ... what about the "jawari" ... will there be sympathetic strings on there as well?
    Cool project.
    ...subbed.
     
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  3. DrRock321

    DrRock321

    Jul 27, 2020
    After about a year of research I've discovered that the sympathetic strings were an addition to the sitars design somewhere around 100 years ago. Most ppl think the drone in sitar music comes the sympathetic strings when it's actually the sound of an accompanying tanpura player. The sympathetic strings add a shimmer to the sound, which is cool on an acoustic instrument but barely would translate on an electric instrument unless they had their own pickup and output. I'm thinking of adding a harp-esque set of sympathetic strings on the lower half of the body, kind of like the coral sitar has. I honestly believe the sympathetic strings are an overkill addition to an electric instrument.
    My design incorporates steel strings so a standard magnetic pickup can be used instead of a piezo. I also added a truss rod since it has no sympathetic strings and has a solid wood neck. As for the jawari, Im going thru the trial and error phase of crafting one that actually works lol Currently it sounds like a muted sitar in need of adjustment.
    Ill keep this thread updated as the project develops further.
     
  4. johnh89

    johnh89

    Jan 25, 2020
    Kent UK
    Sympathetic strings are essential to the whole sound of the sitar . And thing the whole jawari thing is a can of worms best left unopened . Not too sure that an electric sitar will be anything other than a compromise . Piezo pickup is essential to capture the sympathetic resonance . Even a well set up jawari will not translate through a mag pickup . Not trying to put down what seems like a very interesting project but having spent a fair bit of time fettling instruments from the subcontinent I am trying to inject a sense of reality to you .
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    this is a lovely sitar from the 60s that I have just finished for my brother . A VERY steep learning curve ! Really interested in your project and let me know if I can be of any help with your mission .
     
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  5. DrRock321

    DrRock321

    Jul 27, 2020
    I do not agree that the sympathetic strings are the "essence" of the instrument at all, I feel that the tuning, elevated frets, and way its played make the instrument what it is. But I respect your opinion.
    Compromises have to be made in any engineering environment so I'm down for whatever.
     
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  6. johnh89

    johnh89

    Jan 25, 2020
    Kent UK
    What scale length are you using ? And tuning ? And were you thinking of the chicari drone strings or not . I noticed that you have 5 machine heads and wondered if the top string would be a single drone . Interesting project you got there
     
  7. DrRock321

    DrRock321

    Jul 27, 2020
    I went with a 32" scale, it's gonna be a total of 7 strings with 2 chikari strings tuned to C#. After getting as far as I have with this I'm planning out a redesign with the chikari strings mounted to the body (kind of like on a Veena). I had this idea with piccolo bass strings, basicly it would be a 6 string (2 chikari + 4 main) tuned down to C# in 4ths like a bass. I came up with this because piccolo bass strings are easy to find and cheap compared to a custom set of steel sitar strings. The scale length is totally compatible too
     
  8. johnh89

    johnh89

    Jan 25, 2020
    Kent UK
    Sounds like a grand idea . Trad sitar tuning for the playing strings would be ,from thickest. C#, G#, C# ,F# . Should be doable with your strings . Keep us (me!) Posted
     
  9. ixlramp

    ixlramp Guest

    Jan 25, 2005
    An electric sitar is simply a different instrument, so what is considered "essential" for acoustic sitar is irrelevant, and the word "compromise" is non-applicable.
    This is potentially misleading wording. The resonance of sympathetic strings and the effect of jawari are both string vibration, so will certainly be 'captured' and 'translated' by magnetic pickups. But i accept it will sound different and not to your taste.
     
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  10. johnh89

    johnh89

    Jan 25, 2020
    Kent UK
    Point taken and well made . The essential thing I take from that is that , as you rightly say , the electric sitar is a different instrument . I need to stop thinking of ways to make it sound exactly the same as an acoustic instrument .
    I mentioned the piezo pickup as I find it the best way to capture the sound of an acoustic bodied instrument and admittedly have a soft spot for them as I have a piezo pickup J bass that I absolutely love the sound of .
    I will look at this project with interest and with an open mind ,
     
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  11. Videojunkie

    Videojunkie

    Jan 19, 2021
    Omaha, NE USA
    I am interested in seeing how this turns out. Oddball instruments are always fascinating.
     
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  12. DrRock321

    DrRock321

    Jul 27, 2020
    Well disaster struck yall, I've had my prototype parked until I figured out where I wanted to go with it next, unfortunately a board miraculously fell on it and busted off the targahan and nut.... It busted out one side of the nut slot too which idk how I'm gonna fix without replacing the whole thing or fashioning some kind of tall nut to sit at the edge... Might end up parked longer than I anticipated
     

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  13. Videojunkie

    Videojunkie

    Jan 19, 2021
    Omaha, NE USA
    How about cutting flush with then end of the fretboard and building up a thicker nut from there?
     
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  14. DrRock321

    DrRock321

    Jul 27, 2020
    I thought of that but idk if that would work with the height of the nut. It's like .75" off the top of my head, but it might be my only option at this point
     
  15. johnh89

    johnh89

    Jan 25, 2020
    Kent UK
    AAAARGH ! Stick with it . I'm sure a solution will present itself .
     
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  16. Beej

    Beej

    Feb 10, 2007
    Vancouver Island
    What about maybe doing like @Videojunkie says above, but make a nut that is thick on the bottom but tapers up to the original thickness up top?

    It's a pain, but nothing you can't overcome quickly I'm sure. :thumbsup:
     
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  17. DrRock321

    DrRock321

    Jul 27, 2020


    Update!

    I've decided to transform this thing into a piccolo bass hybrid and it actually works! (kind of...)
    This thing would benefit considerably by going headless, I also need to find a way to mount the drone string tuners separate from the neck, I've got a few ideas tho. I have to craft a wider jawari too, which I'm dreading because I know it's gonna be a huge pain. My main objective is to make this thing comfortable to us bass players and still keep it distinctly a sitar; obviously the tuning has changed to that of a bass but it sounds and feels like a sitar. Since this experiment worked with piccolo strings I assume it's gonna work with bass strings, which is insane!

    I must note that not all these ideas are completely original, I've been inspired by Jason Everett's "piccolo sitar bass", the great work they do at the Sitar Factory, and Yoshida Daikiti's "Sitalele" which is an experimental instrument.
     

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  18. DrRock321

    DrRock321

    Jul 27, 2020
    Update 9/26/21
    I've made some improvements to the design and put a pup in it. It's tuned same as a sitar which is basicly D Standard with a drop C on the bottom w/2 drone strings tuned to C5 and C6. It's surprisingly comfortable but I still have to level the parda (frets) and some other technical crap. Anyways, this it what it sounds like so far:

    I'm pretty confident in this thing and it's sort of easy to build. You can play it like a sitar or piccolo bass and all the techniques I've tried are pretty comfy (even slap) IMG_20210926_151536.jpg
     

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