N.B. To my regret, due to some lame "kitchen-talk" wording, a good thread was temporary suspended Don Kasper wrote, "I'm an Old Fart, and I Like this A LOT," about KNOWER'S "Overtime". KNOWER has a lot of elements of Techno and/or Trance, which, could(!) mean that Don attends some Rave (for young people) parties where that music is prevalent. If so, Don cannot be an Old Fart. Now, I've checked some other KNOWER songs. Here is my short summary. KNOWER as a GROUP of very talented and rhythmically-advanced musicians with LOTS of musical harmony/theory knowledge, tends to incorporate some Techno/Trance music elements mixed with young and very energetic, and technically complex rhythmic patterns (foundation). The bass lines are, more or less, synth-bass oriented, that's why we hear those staccato notes. Here is one of them. Here is more of their Techno music (Synth-oriented bass-line.) Here is the same version live. With a cool bass player following the Synth-bass oriented bass line. As we can see, we have a lot of technically expressed and rhythmically-squeezed bass notes. COOL. But... Let's check a slow song from the same album. (WHERE IS THAT TECHNICAL OR JUST, OVERALL, LIVE BASS?) And now my lame, amateur pop musicians conclusion. WHERE ARE CATCHY MELODIES? Technically sophisticated rhythmic patterns, harmonic intricacies but where are MELODIES to remember?