Something warm and dirty in front of a Markbass...

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Nikoubis, Dec 6, 2007.

  1. Nikoubis


    May 3, 2007
    Athens, Greece
    Specifically, the Mini CMD 121P that I'm looking at. I dig the weight and the volume, even as a standalone, is enough to pwn both my gui****s' 50-ish watt tube combos. The tone I also like. But it's too clean for what I want to do with it right now.


    Should I get something along the lines of a Sansamp to add a little grit, run the Sansamp as a preamp disregarding the MB pre, or get a good OD pedal to run before the MB? Or something else entirely?

    Thanks in advance! :)
  2. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    I would look for a small tube preamp that's good at breaking up or giving full-on distortion. There was someone else talking about doing that in the effects loop with good results, although I can't remember what kind it was.

    BTW, I have the same combo, and I love it! It's an SVT in a 14" box!
  3. I use an ART Tube MP in front of my SWR. Warms it up and gives some grit, or full-on overdrive if I like. I've got this particular version, but they'll all work. It's made me like my rig again.
  4. Dave W

    Dave W

    Mar 1, 2007
    Westchester, NY
    I used an EBS Valve Drive in front of worked great to add a little grit.
  5. Rhythm5

    Rhythm5 Guest

    Dec 29, 2006
    Palmdale, California
    +1 on the EBS. It really changes the vibe of the amp quite a bit, but it still sounds like the LMII.
  6. syciprider

    syciprider Inactive

    May 27, 2005
    Inland Empire
    One thing I found out about my MB CMD 121P is that it sounds weak with dirt.

    It just doesn't have the speaker area that makes overdrive so satisfying to me.
  7. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Very few mono rigs sound good with distortion or overdrive. I've always had to run either stereo or split the signal and join it back together when it hits the amp. I'll bet if you bought a second combo and ran it with distortion, you'd get a good sound out of those MB's.
  8. Isn't that exactly what a Sansamp does?
  9. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Ya, it just does it poorly ;)
  10. Nikoubis


    May 3, 2007
    Athens, Greece
    Ouch! :D

    Hmmm... Plan B, aka the more expensive one, is to get the R500 hybrid head, which I've not had the pleasure of testing yet, and the traveler 1x12. Is this feasible or will the overdriven preamp require more than a single 12 to sound good?

    Thanks for all the responses so far! :)
  11. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru..........

    Apr 11, 2006
    Out there!
    "Something warm and dirty in front of a Markbass..."

    Have sex in front of your amp! :)
  12. Not to be crude but the first thing that came to my mind was Rose McGowen. Ever since the Marilyn Manson thing I always thought she was a little dirty, not in a good way either.

    Back on topic.
  13. jock


    Jun 7, 2000
    Stockholm, Sweden
    The EBS Multicomp in tube mode works great for this. Its a quite subtle and not really overdriven sound, but it adds some warm overtones and fattens up the sound just the way I like it.
  14. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    You know, I've heard distortion in many configs EXCEPT with a single 12" or a Markbass. So I really couldn't tell you. My advice would be to try it out, except I believe it's a special order at this time. So that's a tough one.
  15. koobie


    Jul 11, 2007
    Portland OR
    I thought I'd really prefer the R500 over the LMII which I returned for being too clinical. But I was underwhelmed with the the R500 (it was a short demo though, YMMV). I think if I was going back to MB, I'd go with a LMII and a good overdrive pedal. Which one will be up to you, they're all different.
  16. ::::BASSIST::::

    ::::BASSIST:::: Progress Not Perfection.

    Sep 2, 2004
    Vancouver, BC Canada
    If you want dirty at least TRY the SABDDI.

    It really does add some nice grit if thats what you want. The manual explains how to get a nice SVT sound. If I wanted that gritty sound thats what I would use.
  17. WoodyG3


    May 6, 2003
    Colorado, USA
    I use the Sansamp BDDI in front of my CMD 121P and it sounds great. I tried the ART mic preamp, too, and it warms things up a tad. I just happen to like the Sansamp better, especially because there are a wide variety of tone settings possible with the Sansamp.
  18. manjar


    Dec 8, 2005
    +1 on the MultiComp for this purpose - the tube mode is warm and subtle, and has a nice character as a compressor.
  19. lomo

    lomo passionate hack Supporting Member

    Apr 15, 2006

    +1 again. The EBS (non-tube) standard overdrive pedal also sounds great through my LMK11, and it's 100 less than the valvedrive with no tube to replace (but not as smooth IMO)