/ Register

Sonic maximisation/excitment/enhancement...

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by Grimoire, Oct 30, 2001.

  1. Oct 30, 2001 #1
    Grimoire

    Grimoire

    Oct 29, 2001
    Ålesund, Norway
    Ok, which to get of the BBE's? 362SW, 362NR, 362, 462??? Or something else? I'm not running a bi-amped system, so I don't need a sub-woofer out as the SW has...confusion reigns...
     
  2. Oct 30, 2001 #2
    Donne Demarest

    Donne Demarest

    May 4, 2001
    Sebastopol, CA
    I own and recommend the BBE 362NR. The Noise Reduction feature is a good thing.
     
  3. Oct 30, 2001 #3
    lo-end

    lo-end

    Jun 15, 2001
    PA
    I dont know much about those things... But Ive heard that the Spectral enhancer or whatever that is is supposed to be better...
     
  4. Oct 30, 2001 #4
    monkeyfinger

    monkeyfinger Moderator Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Oct 29, 2001
    Warwick, Rhode Island, USA
    What problem are you trying to solve?
     
  5. Oct 31, 2001 #5
    Grimoire

    Grimoire

    Oct 29, 2001
    Ålesund, Norway
    I am basically trying to "clean up" my sound. I have just changed to 6-string and the un-even nature of the sound is not rectified enough just with my Composer Pro. I have read in this forum that few recommend 31band graphics, as was my first idea, and that these devices will help (aural enhancement)...
     
  6. Nov 1, 2001 #6
    BigBohn

    BigBohn

    Sep 29, 2001
    WPB, Florida
    keepin it Behringer, get the EX3200. that is a very good piece of equipment at the same quality, just much less in price. And the 2 Behringers look tight all together. nothing is wrong with behringer, I think they work exceptionally better for bass than any other instrument. my $0.02
     
  7. Nov 1, 2001 #7
    JMX

    JMX Vorsprung durch Technik

    Sep 4, 2000
    Cologne, Germany
    Or go highend with a SPL Vitalizer
     
  8. Nov 1, 2001 #8
    monkeyfinger

    monkeyfinger Moderator Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Oct 29, 2001
    Warwick, Rhode Island, USA
    What do you mean by a very un-even nature of the sound? Is it unbalanced in that the highs are stronger than the lows? Is there a boominess, or woofiness? Are you getting phase cancellation?

    My opinion is that ANY processor you add to the signal path will degrade the signal to some extent, even the best quality stuff. (I learned this from a guy who regularly used Aphex Dominators and Midas boards.) Now, the question is, does the enhancement to the sound really offset this degredation. With regard to sonic maximizers, the answer is usually no. They often sound good by themselves, but are lousy in the mix. People buy them because they feel they will fix a problem with thier existing amp system. What you should be doing is trying to figure out what is wrong with the current amp system. What are you running and how are you running it? (Biamped, mono, stereo. etc.)
     
  9. Nov 1, 2001 #9
    Grimoire

    Grimoire

    Oct 29, 2001
    Ålesund, Norway
    Yes unbalanced in the highs and stronger in the lows, yes to boominess on certain notes, yes to phase cancellation (depending on the space I am playing in as to the degree and severity).
    I am running a 300W mono combo through a 14" (is that inch - we are metric!) and a two by 8". No, it is not bi-amped. I am aware that upgrading my amp and speakers would be a better solution, but we haven't sold a million yet, and I simply don't have the funds, hence my looking at cheaper, I suppose "quick fiX" solutions...
     
  10. Nov 1, 2001 #10
    pmkelly

    pmkelly

    Nov 28, 2000
    Kansas City, MO
    go try one of them out, and then tell me whether you want one or not... i tried one out, just to waste some time in a store, and I ended up walking out with one of them... and I use it all the time!


    [email protected]
     
  11. Nov 1, 2001 #11
    monkeyfinger

    monkeyfinger Moderator Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Oct 29, 2001
    Warwick, Rhode Island, USA
    I am going to assume that the 2x8" sits on top of the 14". (Do you mean 15"?) This could naturally lead to a lot a phase problems. You would end up with muddy low-mids, and boomy bass.

    Here is what I suggest. First try separating the cabs. Put them side-by-side at least 3 ft, (1 meter) apart. If you can't do that, try putting something between the 2x8 and the 14. Something that will vertically separate the two cabs by at least 1 ft (~ 30 cm). Next move the 2x8 slightly back from the 14. (This should reduce phase cancellation.) In other words the front edge of the 2x8 should be about 2-3" (~6 cm) from the front edge of the 14. See if this improves your sound. (This is essentially what the BBE does electronically. You are time aligning your cabs.) You will likely have to play with speaker placement by moving the cab back and forth, and raising and lowering it.

    I wouldn't be surprised if you get noticeable improvements. Speaker placement is a really important factor in getting good, loud, clear amplification.