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speaking of speaking - John Cage: INDETERMINACY

Discussion in 'Recordings [BG]' started by frederic b. hodshon, Feb 7, 2003.


  1. frederic b. hodshon

    frederic b. hodshon Supporting Member

    May 10, 2000
    Lake Forest, CA
    None.
    anyone familiar with this box set?

    i'm lucky enough to have the vinyl set on Folkways.

    great stuff!

    cage speaking one minute stories over David Tudor's prepared piano.

    fantastic!

    [​IMG]

    http://www.folkways.si.edu/40804.htm

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  2. godoze

    godoze

    Oct 21, 2002
    yes. I love it. Have been a HUGe cage fan since college.

    are you familiar with any of his other compositions ?
     
  3. My band frequently covers "4 minutes and 33 seconds".:D
     
  4. Turock

    Turock Supporting Member

    Apr 30, 2000
    Melnibone
    I'd like to not hear that.
     
  5. godoze

    godoze

    Oct 21, 2002
    the only problem i have with people performing 4'33"" is that when they do many times the audience is aware of the piece so they intentionally make noise, and we all know that that is not what Cage had in mind when he composed that piece...
     
  6. frederic b. hodshon

    frederic b. hodshon Supporting Member

    May 10, 2000
    Lake Forest, CA
    None.

    hmmm...i've heard many an interview with him where he preferred the blending in of non-performed sounds from such sources as traffic and the audience.

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  7. godoze

    godoze

    Oct 21, 2002
    right... he was going for sounds that were not created on purpose during the performance... so traffic, sirens, birds, whatever was occuring was fine.

    but audience members making noise on purpose- which many did in the countless performances of this piece that i have witnessed or taken part in - were not the "found sounds" that he was trying to capture.

    And as we are all aware, there are no performed sounds in this piece...
     
  8. frederic b. hodshon

    frederic b. hodshon Supporting Member

    May 10, 2000
    Lake Forest, CA
    None.
    interesting.

    do you have any sites where he mentions that about this particular piece?

    i'd like to read more about what his intentions were with "silence".

    any info appreciated.

    nice to see such a response to one of my favorite composers.

    i always enjoyed watching interviews with him. what a character.

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  9. godoze

    godoze

    Oct 21, 2002
    if you haven't read it already. I suggest you read "A Year From Monday." This is one of his most influential books.

    He told me once that this was the case (as mentioned above)

    There are several outstanding books that he has to his credit.
     
  10. frederic b. hodshon

    frederic b. hodshon Supporting Member

    May 10, 2000
    Lake Forest, CA
    None.
    donz: thanks for the recommendation.

    looking at your profile, we have common threads.

    avant...jazz...and even bluegrass. plus the kingston fretless!

    i need to start a new thread about webern and Edgard Varèse.

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  11. godoze

    godoze

    Oct 21, 2002
    sounds good to me !

    hey if you want that book send me address and i'll mail it to you !