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Speakon cable or 1/4 inch

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by bobhollywood, Apr 12, 2014.

  1. bobhollywood


    Sep 7, 2011
    Hey guys, iam currently running an f1 mark bass head (500w solid state) with an 8x10 ampeg cab.
    I also run a sansamp out of the head and into a boss tuner➡️bass input and using speakon cable from head to cab.
    The other night it just cut out towards the end of the set but i was di'd into my sands amp so signal was still coming out of pa.
    My question is, should i b running a speakon cable or 1/4 inch speaker cable from my head to cab?
    I know it gives u the option on both my head and cab but have heard in the past speakon are best for somewhat bigger set ups.

    Is there and what is the difference?
    Thankyou in advance.
  2. FretNoMore

    FretNoMore * Cooking with GAS *

    Jan 25, 2002
    The frozen north
    Use Speakon for the head to cab connection. It's better in every regard compared to a 1/4 inch connector for speaker level signals, and there's no risk of confusing it for an instrument cable or vice versa.
    Fuzzbass likes this.
  3. lz4005


    Oct 22, 2013
    I guarantee that you aren't running a sansamp out of the head and into a tuner and then into a bass input.
  4. bobhollywood


    Sep 7, 2011
    Am def running a sans out of the head etc etc.
  5. lowfreq33


    Jan 27, 2010
    Endorsing Artist: Genz Benz Amplification
    You should always use Seakon when you have to option. It's just safer, especially for high power applications.
  6. FretNoMore

    FretNoMore * Cooking with GAS *

    Jan 25, 2002
    The frozen north
    I think you may just have the direction wrong when describing this; the jack on the bass is an output, not an input, so you're going out of the bass into the tuner, and then from the tuner into the Sansamp and finally into the amp.
  7. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Gold Supporting Member

    Aug 25, 2007
    Toronto Ontario Canada
    OP please use correct spelling when posting - I believe it part of the rules. For those of us who do not use texting it make a post almost gibberish.

    I think that the above post is correct as the wiring scheme you posted would not work at all.
  8. bobhollywood


    Sep 7, 2011
    Bassmanpaul, correct grammar also helps.
    For those of us who don't use plurals on certain words, may take it as another language. :)
  9. JPaulGeddy

    JPaulGeddy Supporting Member

    Sep 19, 2007
    South Carolina
    I've always heard the rule of thumb was, anything over 300w - you *need* a speakon. But as mentioned, if you have the option, I'd always go with speakon over 1/4", no matter the wattage.
  10. Plucky The Bassist

    Plucky The Bassist Bassist for Michael "Epic Mic" Rowe

    Jul 30, 2010
    Houston, TX
    Supposedly the current flow for something over 500w is best handled with speakon jacks. I don't know if I'd take that to the bank, but the connection is more secure on a speakon, I'd say that alone is a good reason to use them. Also, it's pretty hard to mix it up with an instrument cable, like FretNoMore said.
  11. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Gold Supporting Member

    Aug 25, 2007
    Toronto Ontario Canada
    Phooie - That's what you get from typing whilst the lady of the house is watching a Dog Whisperer episode! :(

    The point still remains that this is an English language forum and not a text message!
  12. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Gold Supporting Member

    Aug 25, 2007
    Toronto Ontario Canada
    It's much better to use the four pole version of the Speakon. It's much easier to use and is almost the standard on commercial amplification equipment. I've yet to hear about a 2 pole used so.
  13. I had a few issues with 1/4" cables back in the day. I even had the jack that was so worn out just about everytime i played the b string hard the cable would come out. Switched to using speakons and no more issues. I haven't had a single issue. In fact i still have and use the same cables i originally bought. They've never shorted out or anything. I leave the amp end always connected to the amp and just tuck in the back of my rack. The one thing i would be cautious about with speakons is remember to unplug the cab before walking off with the head. I've seen several times where people tipped a cab over or damaged the jack on the amp because they forgot to unhook the cable before they moved it. Dont get a super long cable. Mine are like 3' and 6' long. You don't need at 25' pa speakon because we bass players generally keep the head ontop of the cab or right next to it.
  14. Passinwind

    Passinwind I Know Nothing Supporting Member

    I greatly prefer the 2 pole cable Speakon. Cheaper, lighter, easier to disengage blind, and still works fine with a 4-pole panel one at the amp or speaker ends.
  15. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Gold Supporting Member

    Aug 25, 2007
    Toronto Ontario Canada
    I find that interesting Charlie as I find just the opposite!! :D

    To each his/her own I guess.
  16. Passinwind

    Passinwind I Know Nothing Supporting Member

    We had a vote at the club I ran sound at Paul: 3-0 for 2-pole. The 4-pole ones are a little easier to wire up though, especially until you've done a few of the 2-pole ones and sussed the trick.
  17. beans-on-toast

    beans-on-toast Supporting Member

    Aug 7, 2008
    I use 2-pole for the cable. All amps and cabs get 4-pole installed on them for compatibility reasons.

    I build my speakon cables. Neutrik connectors. For the cable I use, two conductor rubber jacketed power cord wire that I buy from Home Depot by the yard. The cable is Carol (General Cable) 18/2. For four conductor cable I use Belden 8454.
  18. Passinwind

    Passinwind I Know Nothing Supporting Member

    Just to revisit that thought, Neutrik has created the 2 pole FX series cable connector configuration fairly recently to mimic the 4 pole one:


    I just got a few in and they're definitely a lot easier to assemble than the old style ones, and the strain relief is considerably beefier as well.
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2014
  19. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa, Product Support-Genz Benz
    4 pole work much better for biamped connections ;)