Squier Affinity P Tuners

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Sarakisof, Jun 16, 2020.

  1. Sarakisof


    Dec 15, 2019
    Hello everyone, i found a cheap Squier P Bass Affinity in local ads and from pics it seems to have the closed type tuners. Bass must be around 00's i guess, cannot see S/N from pics clearly. Seller says he hasn't changed anything, it is stock.

    As i know Squiers used only those cheapo open type, did they used closed type tuners in any models?
  2. Sarakisof


    Dec 15, 2019
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  3. Volker Kirstein

    Volker Kirstein Blippy the Wonder Slug

    Squier Affinity Ps have always had the cheap, closed tuners, IIRC...
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  4. brushfirewolf


    Nov 12, 2016
    It varied from year to year. My 96 has open as do all the newer models.

    I’d pass on the closed gear models 1) because they’re garbage and 2) you can’t upgrade as easily because the peg hole is smaller.
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  5. Sarakisof


    Dec 15, 2019
    Yeap i see, seems like some others Indonesian's used open types. Most i found around 2010 use open type as well.
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  6. mikeswals

    mikeswals Supporting Member

    Nov 18, 2002
    Seattle / Tacoma
    I picked up a 2003 Affinity from the local craigs for $50, and it has the open style. I know I've seen the closed ones as well, probably came with the early starter pack basses.

    Anything is doable. If the holes are too small then you can easily drill out a larger hole.
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  7. Maxdusty


    Mar 9, 2012
    Michigan USA
    I have a 2003 20th Anniversary Affinity P-bass. Closed tuners, and while functional, not really good. My bass is made in China.
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  8. CallMeAl


    Dec 2, 2016
    Ithaca Ny
    My 2000 standard and 2005 affinity both have open back. I’ve personally never seen an Affinity past 2005 with closed. I think they phased them out in the early 2000s for the Affinities; I also think they still use closed on the Broncos

    Here’s a thread showing detailed tuner replacement
    MIK Squier II Precision Bass - Build Log
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  9. Most people consider the closed-type to be the "cheapos" and the open-type to be more desirable.

    Why? See this '57 p-bass neck. If Leo had used Gibson-style lampshade tuners, people would find those more desirable.

    Attached Files:

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  10. brushfirewolf


    Nov 12, 2016
    Yea not sure why they bounced back and forth. Mine is from '96, made in china stamped on the neckplate and has open back tuners which are actually half decent. They've always kept it in tune. Getting a little stiff now after all these years but still perfectly functional.
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  11. Sarakisof


    Dec 15, 2019
    All nice inputs here guys. As we are in "Squier area", i also have a Squier Affinity J bought 3 years ago used from a child for 50 bucks. Model Indonesia 2014 with an "unfinished style" stripe neck. Runs perfect for the money, but i have problem with neck upbow. Got it like that (aslo asked the kid and told me it was so from the shop that he had purchased it new but back then "he was too beginner to identify it, he just wanted a thing to play").
    Anyway situation is i cannot straighten it. Truss rods seems to be two-way action. By clockwise tightening (1/4, let sit 24hrs and then again) managed to straighten it without strings, but with strings gets bowed again ( a bit better but again after months at the same ammount and stops there) Its the classic situation of over tightening again and again and situation comes again, pretty sure light strings will go better, but like to use flats 045 or 050s. Found the "zero"/loose point of rod and tried clamping (no heat lamps0 for a week or so by tightening 1/4 each day. Didnt solve it, same condition.
    I have tried almost everything (except heat) even with a local luthier friend of mine, told me it is the "usual cheapo unfinished affinity neck" situation ..

    Do you think applying careful 100-150F heat lamps alongside clamping could do the trick or i have no hope?
    Have many spare affinity necks, but heh, why not save da original?
  12. Fender style necks look right with the big, open tuners -- but I much prefer the closed Gotoh GB-350 tuners. They are my favorite but are for the smaller hole size. So they might be a good option as an upgrade if your neck has the smaller holes. The GB-350 are lighter than the hip shot ultra lights and I think they feel better too - but the hip shots look more traditional and you can get the hip shots for either hole size.
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  13. EdwardofHuncote

    EdwardofHuncote I Still Dream of Jeannie

    Aug 21, 2013
    I don't know what year my Affinity P was, but it came with the absolute worst open gear tuning machines I have ever twisted. The was the one feature of that bass that just sucked... the rest of it was pretty okay.
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  14. micguy


    May 17, 2011
    I had a cheap guitar with that style of tuners - most of the closed ones, you can remove the cover.

    Although closed tuners have a bad reputation, some of them actually work just fine. Worm gear tuners are like AK 47's - it's a design that, even made with sloppy tolerances, actually works quite well most of the time.
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  15. amphlett7


    Feb 27, 2008
    Basywater, Western Australia
    Audiofly In-Ear Monitors And Headphones
    I have an indonesian Squier Affinity and it has standard open tuners
  16. The Chinese Squiers of 20 years ago used those closed tuners, funny shaped headstock, no skunk stripe over the truss rod. In general these were on the ugly side IMHO. Indonesian and Korean Squiers were better. Later Chinese squiers called Classic Vibe were clearly the best of all, closely followed by Vintage modified (Indonesian).
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  17. I've got a 2013 Affinity P Bass with closed tuners. I'm sure I took part in a thread on Affinity tuner replacement here many years ago, where advice was given about reaming the holes out to replace them with standard open tuners, but a poster warned of the possibility of the tuner backplates clashing with each other and having to be ground down. That put me off so I've stuck with what I have.
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  18. Playbyear


    Nov 20, 2019
    Yes, they look correct, but also it's that
    Big, cheap, junky, open type worm gear tuners generally hold up better than little, cheap, junky, closed tuners.

    (And cheap knockoff Gibson tuners are really bad...)
  19. HardNHeavy


    Apr 17, 2014
    seems like an easy fix if you dont like them or if they're cheap...the affinity/squier tuning peg holes look small to fit more "manly" tuners:smug:....Just a little reaming of those holes should fix that. Seems like it would be a drop in replacement otherwise​
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  20. Sarakisof


    Dec 15, 2019
    I see i will go for another one i found with open type and will change the pickups with Fender 62 Ps.
    Yeap my J affinity Indonesia 2014 has open type. But i have an issue with up-bow neck. Tried everything including clamping (without heating) but bow returns when stringed. Do you think clamping with heat lamps could do the trick? Truss rod is two-way one.