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Squier Deluxe Active or Squier Precision Special Five?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by oldrookie, Sep 9, 2008.


  1. oldrookie

    oldrookie

    May 15, 2007
    Avon, IN
    Question for Squier lovers (all other move along...nothing to see here:))

    I know on the surface this is an easy call, but read on!

    Been looking for an inexpensive fiver to add to the mix. I really like the Deluxe, except for the ebanol fingerboard. Love the wide neck and 19mm string spacing; the look, feel and capabilities have this bass at the top of my list.

    But, recently found an new, old stock Precision Special Five. I know the pickups were designed for a four string and the sound really was weak, but it has the wide neck I like and 19mm string spacing. BIG plus for me is the rosewood fingerboard. Store is overpriced at $300 (same as the Deluxe.) Appears to be well constructed. Metallic green with white pickguard. Kinda like the look.

    Has me dreaming about what the PS5 would look and sound like if it had G&L MFD humbuckers in it. Love my Tribute L2k in passive mode, but I just don't like the neck on the L2.5k...too thick.

    Haven't measured to see if those pickups would fit and I've never tried to stick pickups in that would require routing out space.

    So, what do you think? Not really a poll, just the options I've been considering.

    1. Don't be an idiot--you can get used to the ebanol and the Deluxe is clearly the superior bass, and the mods you are thinking about are too expensive for what you'll end up with, or:

    2. Sure, why not? MFD pickup mod is worth investigating and you'd have a unique, capable bass.

    3. Wild card...keep looking for the TBC AP500M you've been eyeballing on-line.
     
  2. what you really need

    is a DJAV...

    down the road you can put in some nordie fat stacks and an Aggie OBP-3 and be a ROCKIN MACHINE!

    I don't think you can find a better 5-string bass in the under $500 price range than the Squier Deluxe Active V...
     
  3. Sandu

    Sandu

    Oct 23, 2007
    Bucharest, Romania
    I have the P Special 5, and I'm currently modding it to hell. AFAIK both (the J deluxe and P) have the same pickups, the only differences are: preamp on the J (passive P), basswood body J (agathis P) and ebonol fretboard J (rosewood P). It would have been a toss up for me, but I got a great deal on the P and I couldn't resist.

    I'd say get the P. Agathis is harder than basswood (hard woods fare better when modding, IMO), the neck pickup route is soapbar-shaped so you just have to cut the pickguard to get a new pickup in, and it's plain cooler:cool:. Then again, if they're priced the same and you don't intend to mod the bass, maybe the Jazz is the way to go. It's good to go right out of the box. And BTW, why don't you like the ebonol fretboard? It's a major factor in the sound (and the appeal) of the J. I'd swap the neck on my P for an ebonol board one in a heartbeat.
     
  4. well there you have it...looks like you'll need to get both...

    Sandu is right about the pickups...same pups in both basses...
    he's also right about the body wood, although, the tough poly finish on the basswood kinda nullifies the hardness issue a tad...

    the ebonal board on the jazz is awesome...but you can't beat a P-shaped bass...

    OH WHAT TO DO ;) :D
     
  5. oldrookie

    oldrookie

    May 15, 2007
    Avon, IN
    PhilaraBass,
    Hmmm... apparently not familiar enough with Squier nomenclature....I meant the DJAV in my original post. Oh, and your last post...a lot of help! :D

    Sandu,
    Not sure why I don't like the ebonol as well...just the look and feel, I guess. Gets kinda scratched up and is apparently hard to keep looking pristine. It's not a deal breaker, just a factor I am considering.

    You both sure about the pickups being the same? I had read on TB that the pickups on the Precision Special V were in fact 4-string pickups. Often cited as a reason for weak B-string output.

    Good to know about the routing of the neck pickup.

    Some excellent points to consider from both of you so far. Appreciate your thoughts.
     
  6. I guarantee the pickups on the Deluxe Active Jazz V (DJAV, JDAV) have 4 string pickups too...
     
  7. Anonymous Guy

    Anonymous Guy

    Jul 28, 2008
    I had heard the same thing as well. Could someone with either check out what the pickups look like uncovered?

    I wouldn't be surprised if the P-Bass V has 4-string pickups, since apparently the Squier Bronco Bass is using a regular ceramic 6-pole Strat pickup.

    I'd be more disappointed if the Jazz V Deluxe was using 4 string pickups, because it really did seem as if Squier was stepping it up in the electronics department as of late...
     
  8. Darkstrike

    Darkstrike Return Of The King!

    Sep 14, 2007
    Yup, four string pickups, bladed I believe.
     
  9. oldrookie

    oldrookie

    May 15, 2007
    Avon, IN
    I guess it doesn't matter if they are four or five as long as the bass sounds good. I know the DJAV does, but the PS5 seemed a bit weak. Could have been the four-year old roundwounds on it (its been hanging in the shop for a few years.)

    Bladed also make a difference, at least it's supposed to. No experience on my part to know for sure.
     
  10. Darkstrike

    Darkstrike Return Of The King!

    Sep 14, 2007
    JUst means the strings don't have to be in a particular spot, they're good for fivers like this, or four strings with weird spacing.
    Some guys on here(and I want to try it!) have modded the DJAV's for six strings, and say the stock pickups work well still.
     
  11. nope...not bladed...4-sets of pole-pieces :meh:...

    it works...but definitely not ideal...
     
  12. oldrookie

    oldrookie

    May 15, 2007
    Avon, IN
    Went back and spent some time with this bass. Shop dude thinks it been in the store since '04.

    Metallic green with white pickguard, a few scratches, and the plastic film still on the pickguard.

    Neck reminds me of the the neck on my Tribute L2k with a bit more thickness than the Squier DJAV. Bit wider than the L2k, but still feel at home with it.

    B-string was better than I remembered, but it needs new strings--no question. Probably weren't that great in '04. Has a nice tone, even with bad strings on it.

    He offered it to me for $269, as is. Basically $300 with new strings. Same as the DJAV less taxes. Might offer $250 and see if he'll go for it.
     
  13. christle

    christle

    Jan 26, 2002
    Winnipeg, MB
    I think the offer of $250 would be worth while. I myself prefer the wood fretboards but I must say that the DJAV has tremendous punch and clarity. I was also surprised by the number of people on here that really love their PS5. I can't see where you would go wrong. I think the other advantage that the PS5 has is weight. It is lighter than the DJAV, which for me is a consideration.

    Best of luck to you with this one :D
     
  14. jleguy

    jleguy Supporting Member

    Jun 6, 2006
    DC Metro
    I've modded my DJAV to a sixer and the pickups work just fine. I would attribute that to the boost the preamp gives and could see how maybe the passive version in the P would lack some. But I've ordered the P Special V and am going to mod it as sixer too and we will see if I need to add a preamp to wake it up any...

    Check out some DJAVs modded to VI:

    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=391653
     
  15. jleguy

    jleguy Supporting Member

    Jun 6, 2006
    DC Metro
    The Squier downloadable wiring diagram for the P-bass Special V (5-string) shows 5 pairs of poles for each pick up...
     
  16. jleguy

    jleguy Supporting Member

    Jun 6, 2006
    DC Metro
    www.geartree.com is selling them new for $249 free shipping:

    http://geartree.com/p-772-squierreg-5-string-standard-p-bassreg-special.aspx
     
  17. Ed Goode

    Ed Goode Jersey to Georgia Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Nov 4, 2004
    Acworth, GA
    Endorsing Artist: FBB Bass Works
    Yup, sure does :D

    Linky: http://www.squierguitars.com/pdf/diagrams/SquierJBassSpecial5B2B.pdf

    I have a Standard Precision V Special and I don't hear any drop-off whatsoever between strings. I didn't know until jleguy's post that a wiring diagram existed (Thanks :bassist:). The stock pups aren't bad at all, but I prefer barts myself .... just have to figure out if they fit without routing .... ;)
     
  18. oldrookie

    oldrookie

    May 15, 2007
    Avon, IN
  19. oldrookie

    oldrookie

    May 15, 2007
    Avon, IN
    Ended up with option three from the original post.

    AP500M on its way from Arizona tomorrow. Just couldn't resist.

    Would have been happy with the Squier, just plain gassed out over the TBC.
     

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